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WolfPack Charlie

WolfPack Charlie

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I am starting my next Sus cycle in November, as follows:

weeks 1-10: Sus 300; 500mg a week shooting 250 on Monday and Thursday, combined with .5mg ldex ED
Weeks 4-7: 25mg dbol

My question is if I am going to frontload 1 gram of Sus, when should I start the 250mg shots?
 
If you're gonna FL start week one and do a gram for 2 weeks.....IMO it's not really necessary though....just run the 500 throughout
 
front load sust for sure,
look at my sig,GOOD stuff

any way i would run the injections on monday friday but i take weekends off from heavy training so it is good for me. I would run it ccording to your work out schedule, you just didnt gove enough information to make a accurate decision,
 
Uhhhh.......dude, why are you taking d-bol from 4-7? If anything that should be run right at the beginning for a kickstart until the sus kicks in. I'd say run d-bol weeks 1-3, and frontload the sus for the first two weeks. You should be good to go.
 
definitely as rvd_brock said, use dbol at the beginning to kickstart cycle.

Wolfpack- you're doing the same as my first cycle which I have just finished.
I used dbol 30mg/day wks 1-3, then sus 500mg/wk wks 1-8. I loved it, gains and strength went thru the roof, now its a matter of a good post cycle to keep the gains. Thats the hardest part, oh, I felt insanely strong in the gym and lifting heavy which felt really good. All good things come to an end, like coming off sucks but has to be done.

peace
 
I agree with the guys about using the dbol at the beginning, or even at the end. If you don't want to run it at the beginning, try running it the last 3 weeks of your cycle, while you wait for the sust to finish.
 
i don't see the point of front loading when you have dbol in there.


Use the dbol for the first four weeks to get yourself started. Anything else is a waste of gear IMO
 
guards said:
i don't see the point of front loading when you have dbol in there.


Use the dbol for the first four weeks to get yourself started. Anything else is a waste of gear IMO
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good point

its either one or the other
 
I've made a thread on this before... It may be in the Classics section.. But front loading an ester is not the same as taking dbol early in the cycle.

A good way to do it would be: 1000mg sustanon during the first week, then 250mg, twice a week starting week 2.

Take the dbol thoughout the cycle.

Andy
 
Sustanon fl?

You ONLY should frontload long esters!

Susta got short and long ones. So you better frontload with real long testo-esters. Otherwise, have fun with your sideeffects!
 
Have any of you done d-bol both at the beginning and at the end of a long cycle. I just had a friend who did that and he had huge gains. I personally only done frontloading, but I suppose d-bol at both ends of a long cycle should work well.
 
Dbol is so fast acting, there is no need to frontload test with the Dbol. The point of frontloading is usually to get your blood levels of the drug high quickly...especially for slow acting esters like Eq or Deca... the Dbol is very fast acting.

No need to frontload sust with dbol in first 4-6 weeks-IMO
 
Sorry, I should have stated that my friend did this with Deca and EQ stack. My question was if it made sense to do both front and end loading. I certainly understand the reasoning for the front part. The only explanation that I have for the tail part is to provide an extra boost prior to coming off.
 
i don't see anything wrong in FL the sus and then keeping the dbol for the END of the cycle to continue gaining when they might have otherwise slowed down. i have done this before and it works. this would mean that u'd have to do dbol later than wks 4-7.
 
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Sorry.. That article is a piece of crap..
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i agree. there is no need to inject sus ED. i think this thing of not having fluctuating concentrations in the blood should not be taken to the other extreme. i haven't really thought abt it long enough but i would imagine ED sus injs would not exactly result in even blood levels either. point is that i think with sus u have to lump the unequal blood levels anyways. so if u took all that too seriously, i doubt very much it would grow u a few extra pounds of muscle. i personally have not found any difference. i think it is wrong to assume this is precise rocket science. a certain amount of vagueness is allowed within a rather broad range IMO. so if i were to believe that article, i'd rather shoot myself with suspension ED.
 
silver_shadow said:


i agree. there is no need to inject sus ED. i think this thing of not having fluctuating concentrations in the blood should not be taken to the other extreme. i haven't really thought abt it long enough but i would imagine ED sus injs would not exactly result in even blood levels either. point is that i think with sus u have to lump the unequal blood levels anyways. so if u took all that too seriously, i doubt very much it would grow u a few extra pounds of muscle. i personally have not found any difference. i think it is wrong to assume this is precise rocket science. a certain amount of vagueness is allowed within a rather broad range IMO. so if i were to believe that article, i'd rather shoot myself with suspension ED.
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That article is a piece of crap because it depicts sustanons esters releases one at a time.. First the prop, then phenyl prop, etc.. That's absolute bush..

Look for a post of mine on sustanon.. Sustanon's esters (yes, all of them) begin to release IMMEDIATLEY. The highest concentrations of androgen are obtained within the first 24hrs, and then exponentially decay from there.

Sustanon should be treated as if it were cypionate.

Andy
 
Andy13 said:


That article is a piece of crap because it depicts sustanons esters releases one at a time.. First the prop, then phenyl prop, etc.. That's absolute bush..

Look for a post of mine on sustanon.. Sustanon's esters (yes, all of them) begin to release IMMEDIATLEY. The highest concentrations of androgen are obtained within the first 24hrs, and then exponentially decay from there.

Sustanon should be treated as if it were cypionate.

Andy
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so a shot once a week?
 
Hey Wolfpack, I remember you made great gains off of your first cycle.

Have you kept those gains, any updates?
 
Nice to see Andy13 posting again. For those of you not familiar with him he's one of Elite's top MODs. Listen to what he has to say.
 
Anakin, yes for the most part. But then again I am only about 2 and a half weeks out from my last injection. I was at 192.7 and now pretty much hover around 189. I am very pleased with the outcome but at the same time, when I look in the mirror I still see the little guy I was before. I guess thats the down side of AAS. I am EAGERLY awaiting my next cycle to start arond Thanksgiving.
 
It was my first, plus I took in 200 grams of protein a day from shakes alone, and typically ate 2 chicken breasts and 2 cans of tuna in the 8 hours I was at work every day, and was in the gym 6 days a week. I've since backed off simply because no matter how much you love something, too much time doing it will burn you out. However, Thanksgiving can't come quick enough for me. I've already got the gear lined up so now it's all a matter of trying to keep my gains until then. My next cycle is 10 weeks, but with the addition of liquidex I doubt I'll see the 23 pound gain, which is fine by me 'cause it aint easy gettin rid of this water!!
 
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