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From Zero to Hero? Tren / Test / Dbol Cycle Log.

Bruvstar

Bruvstar

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Hey everyone.

Taking a risk with this one. I've just this weekend started my cycle 3 days ago.

11 week cycle.

30mg / Dbol ED
400mg/ml Test-400(Tri-Blend) 2x A week
150mg/ml Tri-Tren (Blend) 1x A week

got Aromasin, Novladex, Milk thistle on hand.

Stats:

5"11 / 6
172lbs
15% BF
13.5" Biceps

12 years consistent Gymnastics for Team GB under my belt. However and here's the big BUT. Only been training specific muscle groups and intense training in the gym for 4months. I know it's a big risk doing this.

Diet is very decent, consuming 4,000+ 3x 400 Calorie Optimum shakes a day.

I'm going to keep a very strict log, hope i've got your support and advice to help me get the best out of it. All your posts have helped massively.

I'll be doing before and after pictures. And posting back to this log every 1-3 days.

To get a real idea of how far I will have gone, I'll post pictures. Soon to come a before cycle. and Next week a Week 1 picture.

Second pin is tomorrow. Hope i've got your support.

Since I'm new to the forums can't post a pic yet, But as soon as i get 25 posts (2-3 days) I'll put a 2-3 weeks before cycle and 1 week into cycle picture up.

Thanks guys.
 
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Well, you already chose to start this cycle so that's that. But I would recommend on increasing the pinning frequency of the Tri-Test. Try for maybe every 3 days. You want your blood levels to be stable. Also, get either some Bromocriptine, Cabergoline, or Prami on hand for the Tren side effects just in case, even though 150mg EW is a low dose. Also I think 800mg of Test is too much for a first cycle. If I were you I'd do everything with an insulin pin and it would be like

Mon: 200mg Test, 75mg Tren
Wed: 200mg Test, 75mg Tren
Fri: 200mg Test, 75mg Tren

If you do this you are only shooting 1cc 3 times a week and you can load the test and tren in the same syringe.
It is definitely an overkill cycle for you anyway since my first cycle I friggen used 250mg Test E and 200mg Deca EW and blew up in size lol. But I bet you just want to turn into a superhero in 2 months.

Good luck dude
 
Really appreciate the advice, I know being new to all this and having a "Fuck it, let's hit it hard" attitude will annoy some of the more experienced users. I don't expect to see Superman size in 2 weeks, I'm in it for the long run, will train hard, eat right, and take all your advice on board.

Few things i didn't know there! So an insulin syringe? Might be worth a go for sure. Pinning with a 23g 1.5" into thighs atm. Still can't walk 3 days on.

Increase Tren and Decrease test then.. Will try it thanks.

One question.

Since its a Tri Tren blend, should i be expecting Short or long half life esters? Since its Tri blend.. Just curious how long side effects will stay after i stop pinning.
 
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tri tren has 3 esters 1 quick ester 2 longer acting ive used this stuff injecting 3x weeks monday weds fri, i find this the only way to COME CLOSE to keep blood levels even, after using the stuff i wouldnt recommend it id just stick with 1 ester especially tren being one of the most powerful steroids you can fuck with it can fuck with you, t400 is spot on ive used it also containing cyp/enanth/undecly good stuff strong like, im from the uk to, trying to find caber here is quite hard so i ordered from rxhealth one of the sponsors on this sites takes about 3 weeks delivery but lasts a while im about to use it with my 3rd cycle so it lasts, i dont use insulin pins just the normal 2ml barrels from the needle exhchange i pin quads with a 1" straight in and use the 1.5"greens for the buttox! i do agree that the compounds your using and the dosages are way to much and not really recommended, personally i wouldve recommend just the t400 1.5ml a week for ten weeks
 
That sounds brilliant thank you.

Ill definitely change the dosage. And finish the cycle.


Log 1: Day 4 since first pin, insomnia is not a one off. Very restless wake up then doze off non stop.

However it's magical. Best gym session to date. Lifting harder heavier and easier immediately. Weight is around 3lbs heavier but tends to vary. Will weigh in again later.
 
O my god. How F-in LAZY are you? I dont even know what to say to you.....

you been lifting weights for 4 months......you have 13in arms....and you weight 172.....so you decide to run 800mg test and some tren for your FIRST CYCLE. what the hell is wrong with you? lol seriously tho.

over 100 views already and NOBODY has told you your making a horrible decision? well I will.

4 months training, you dont even know what the hell to do in the gym yet. Your most likely going to mess yourself up and lose all of your gains after you stop the cycle. I almost guarantee it.

you cant even wait a year to work out before jumpin on gear? 4 months? WOW dude...wow.

you didnt even post up your pct. do you even have one planned out?

my first cycle was 500mg test e/week with a dmt kickstart for 4 weeks. and im not trying to jack your thread, but im gonna post up pics of my before and after for you to show you that you dont need all that gear, its a waste of money for you.

I wouldnt be saying all this IF you were at least working out for a while. Its still a bad first cycle, IMO, but if at least you had gained some natural size first and learned a little bit about your body before jumping into this. 4 months? lol dude...seriously

I dont even know if you can see the pics yet because your so new. But dude, you dont need all that gear, and you shouldnt be doing steroids right now. Horrible decision.

so do you have my support? hell no you dont. Stop being lazy and put in some work like everyone else...stop looking for shortcuts........jeez man

but now that I went off on you....you should stick around on here and learn all you can for the next couple years. when you get near 200 than think about it man. You have so much room to grow without juice.

I was about 190 in the before pics. about 205 in the final pics. 500mg/week for 10 weeks. Now I cant wait to see YOUR before and after pics, mr. training for 4 months....This rant was for your own good. I hope you think about what your doing....because it doenst really seem like you have
 
and honestly, I wasnt in good enough shape in my b4 pictures to juice. But I did it for a transformation contest on here. I was only about 190, and it was a soft 190. and I think my arms were around 16'' in my before pics. and yours are 13? and were the same height. I bet you look sickly skinny dude....not trying to be rude....just saying.

sigh.......:confused:
 
Well, i do honestly appreciate the advice. Gotta take the good with the bad.

But few things you missed, not to say i don't appreciate the support. 12 years consistent conditioning and gymnastics, I'd say is fair enough. Knowing that, My discipline required me to be lean. I do understand it's a pretty heavy going cycle for a beginner.

Would be grateful if you could follow the cycle and post up any advice to help? Now that you've trolled my ass a bit. Not gonna stop the cycle. But I'll keep you fully updated and post some pics very soon.

I'll post Before any training and before my cycle after 4months of training.

PLEASE remember i have kept myself conditioned, active and training. I'll try my best to get your approval though. Don't wanna upset anyone at early stages. But yeh, anymore advice?
 
no dude. thats about it.

myself or others on here can help you with setting up a good pct. since it sounds like you have no intention on stopping the cycle.

and ya im sure gymnastics are tough. Not trying to take anything away from you. But its a totally different stimulus. and you would be making INCREDIBLE gains right now without juice....IF you were training right and hard, and eating alot.

dont get me wrong. Im here to help.....it just really gets to me when I see these kinds of things. You have SO SO SO much room to grow, its like you have no confidence in yourself. I feel like I have more confidence in you right now than you probably do yourself. Let me know if I can help, I dont want you to mess up your body more than you will already. Be safe, be smart. and make the most of this cycle since your so determined to go through with it.

what is your diet looking like now. I hope you have a freezer full of chicken and steak. lol
 
Thanks man appreciate it. I guess i'm just really competitive, it's not a wanting to cheat the hard work. It's more of I'm working as hard as possible, making the stops, now what else can i do?

I agree though, it is stupid for the first cycle. I'll post as much as i can about it i guess.

Training 5 days/week.

Bi's/Shoulders - Mondays
Tri's / Chest - Tuesdays
Back / Traps / Abs - Wednesday
Legs(General)- Thursday
Anything that needs to be worked on / improved - Friday

Typical day Diet -

Porridge - 6am
Shake - 6:30am
Gym - 7-8:15am
Shake - 9am
Ham Sandwiches / Brown bread / Protein bar - 10:30am
Bacon Sandwiches / Sausage rolls / Apple / Shake - 1pm
Ready salted crisps / Shake - 3pm
3/4 Chicken breasts / Broccoli / Egg fried rice - 6pm
Shake - 8pm

Thats an average sort of day, occasionally 2-3 times a month i'll cheat a meal for MD's or kebab.

I will get a before training and beggining of cycle picture in later today.

Would love to know what shakes are out there for Bulk. Optimum - Serious mass looked good.
 
your diet seriously needs some work man. Especially at your weight, your really shouldnt be too strict. Just eat everything and as much as you can. you should almost be uncomfortable because your eating too much. I would just try to keep the sodium fairly low for blood pressure.

Ready salted crisps? lmao wtf? Bacon sandwiches and Sausage rolls?? wtf LMAO

I would try to get about 8 ounces of meat, usually chicken breast or tenders, and about a cup of rice each meal. Thats like a min man at least 4 times a day. you need to have more solid food, chicken and rice, chicken and rice and some more chicken and rice. drop the 1pm meal man, thats the funniest meal ive ever heard. lol throw some red meat a couple times a week in there
 
Holy shit you weren't joking eh. That much meat? Hey man i'm a meat addict i'm all for that.

Morning breathe and toilet time can't be good though haha.

Ok i'm gonna go shopping tonight and load up. Incase i'm low on meat or money what can i substitute it for on occasion?
 
wcjcMr.O said:
no dude. thats about it.

myself or others on here can help you with setting up a good pct. since it sounds like you have no intention on stopping the cycle.

and ya im sure gymnastics are tough. Not trying to take anything away from you. But its a totally different stimulus. and you would be making INCREDIBLE gains right now without juice....IF you were training right and hard, and eating alot.

dont get me wrong. Im here to help.....it just really gets to me when I see these kinds of things. You have SO SO SO much room to grow, its like you have no confidence in yourself. I feel like I have more confidence in you right now than you probably do yourself. Let me know if I can help, I dont want you to mess up your body more than you will already. Be safe, be smart. and make the most of this cycle since your so determined to go through with it.

what is your diet looking like now. I hope you have a freezer full of chicken and steak. lol
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If I wasn't a karmaless douchebag i would hook you up!
Good job in trying to help this guy instead of just flaming him, he's going to need it from what I understand.
Nothing to do now but make sure he has good on cycle support, a gold pct and a enough food to feed an army!
I don't have any personal experience with tren, just curious to see how this is going to turn out...
 
gatemoney said:
If I wasn't a karmaless douchebag i would hook you up!
Good job in trying to help this guy instead of just flaming him, he's going to need it from what I understand.
Nothing to do now but make sure he has good on cycle support, a gold pct and a enough food to feed an army!
I don't have any personal experience with tren, just curious to see how this is going to turn out...
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o trust me I flamed him at first. lol

exactly man. I really wish he didnt start this cycle. But obviously he isnt going to stop.

So Id at least like him to make the most of it. Hopefully he will soak up all the info he can while on cycle so when he comes off he wont shrink back to 172....which im sorry to say is most likely going to happen...but im trying to stay optimistic....its just so hard....lmao

and Bruvster, yes THAT much meat. maybe not at first because your so light, but remember the more weight you gain, the more you need to eat to keep gaining. Work your way into eating a good meal every 3 hours.
 
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Holy shit you weren't joking eh. That much meat? Hey man i'm a meat addict i'm all for that.

Morning breathe and toilet time can't be good though haha.

Ok i'm gonna go shopping tonight and load up. Incase i'm low on meat or money what can i substitute it for on occasion?
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not much, protein powder i guess. but remember solid food is most important. its not cheap to eat how you should man.......thats my biggest obstacle. affording all the food
 
Bruvstar said:
Holy shit you weren't joking eh. That much meat? Hey man i'm a meat addict i'm all for that.

Morning breathe and toilet time can't be good though haha.

Ok i'm gonna go shopping tonight and load up. Incase i'm low on meat or money what can i substitute it for on occasion?
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See The things he is telling you About diet Are common knowledge in this world. It shows how inexperienced you really are. AND NOW YOU'RE ON TREN!
Not flaming you, Just trying to drive the point home that you have a lot to learn(the basics).
 
Well, I'm gonna have a sore ass by the time trolling is done i think... But i'll take it, I just want all the help i can.

Should i need anything other than Novladex and Aromasic on hand? Can't get Cabergoline easily in UK or not from my sources :(

I know Dieting quite well, but I honestly didn't think my diet was that bad. I'll take it fully on board with all advice though. My main worry is keeping my gains.
 
gatemoney said:
See The things he is telling you About diet Are common knowledge in this world. It shows how inexperienced you really are. AND NOW YOU'RE ON TREN!
Not flaming you, Just trying to drive the point home that you have a lot to learn(the basics).
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exactly dude. Its like trying to explain to an old person how to use the computer or something.

"you see this thing with all these letters on it? its called a keyboard....yeah....you use it to type messages that appear like magic on this flat bright thing called a Monitor" lmao

its true tho dude, you should know all this stuff. But what can we do? we either help you, or we dont and you really F yourself up. sigh......
 
ya dude but im bein nice I feel like. Im sure there are some people on here that would just tell you your an idiot and not help at all. Or simply tell you to get off the juice and run pct right now. Which is what you should do. but im going to bed.

lets see how many people chime in tomorrow to flame you. lol
 
Alright I can't help with the cycle or pct cuz I have no experience with tren, and tren from what I understand is a whole other ball game!
But maybe I can help you with a diet.
I'll give you an example just so you can get your head around what your diet should look like. I'm not going to give you exact macros you need to learn that shit yourself, this is just an example.
6 meals a day.
Meal 1,7am
4-5 Whole eggs
1 cup oats
1 large banana

Meal 2, 9am
6-8 Ounces chicken breast
7 ounces steamed brown rice
1 cup cut broccoli
1 fruit
1 tablespoon flaxseed oil

Meal 3,12noon
6 ounce steak
7 ounces Steamed brown rice
1 cup cut broccoli
1 fruit
1 tablespoon flaxseed oil

Meal 4, 2pm
2 cans tuna
7 ounces steamed brown rice
1 cup cut broccoli
1 tablespoon flaxseed oil

Meal 5, 5pm
8 ounces fish (tilapia is good and cheap)
7 ounces brown rice
1 cups cut broccoli
1 tablespoon flaxseed oil

Meal 6, 7pm
6-8 Ounces chicken breast
2 cups cut broccoli

Like I said these macros are not exact This is just an example for you.
You need to research and learn...
PROTEIN,
LOW G.I. CARBOHYDRATES
HEALTHY FATS.
Diet is by far the most important part of this thing!!!!!
Diet is what turns a man into a monster, you'll never do it without a proper diet.
Hope this helps, good luck :)
 
gatemoney said:
Alright I can't help with the cycle or pct cuz I have no experience with tren, and tren from what I understand is a whole other ball game!
But maybe I can help you with a diet.
I'll give you an example just so you can get your head around what your diet should look like. I'm not going to give you exact macros you need to learn that shit yourself, this is just an example.
6 meals a day.
Meal 1,7am
4-5 Whole eggs
1 cup oats
1 large banana

Meal 2, 9am
6-8 Ounces chicken breast
7 ounces steamed brown rice
1 cup cut broccoli
1 fruit
1 tablespoon flaxseed oil

Meal 3,12noon
6 ounce steak
7 ounces Steamed brown rice
1 cup cut broccoli
1 fruit
1 tablespoon flaxseed oil

Meal 4, 2pm
2 cans tuna
7 ounces steamed brown rice
1 cup cut broccoli
1 tablespoon flaxseed oil

Meal 5, 5pm
8 ounces fish (tilapia is good and cheap)
7 ounces brown rice
1 cups cut broccoli
1 tablespoon flaxseed oil

Meal 6, 7pm
6-8 Ounces chicken breast
2 cups cut broccoli

Like I said these macros are not exact This is just an example for you.
You need to research and learn...
PROTEIN,
LOW G.I. CARBOHYDRATES
HEALTHY FATS.
Diet is by far the most important part of this thing!!!!!
Diet is what turns a man into a monster, you'll never do it without a proper diet.
Hope this helps, good luck :)
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Great post. Id like to add that after you get used to this diet, I would DOUBLE the meat intake. Yes, that's right, double. Tren is so damn powerful that the more you eat, the more muscle you'll pack on. Again dude, if I were you id really try to get caber, prami, or bromo so you don't start lactating!
yes Tren is a scary hormone and you have to respect it. Keep a close eye on your personality as well. Best regards.
 
gatemoney said:
Alright I can't help with the cycle or pct cuz I have no experience with tren, and tren from what I understand is a whole other ball game!
But maybe I can help you with a diet.
I'll give you an example just so you can get your head around what your diet should look like. I'm not going to give you exact macros you need to learn that shit yourself, this is just an example.
6 meals a day.
Meal 1,7am
4-5 Whole eggs
1 cup oats
1 large banana

Meal 2, 9am
6-8 Ounces chicken breast
7 ounces steamed brown rice
1 cup cut broccoli
1 fruit
1 tablespoon flaxseed oil

Meal 3,12noon
6 ounce steak
7 ounces Steamed brown rice
1 cup cut broccoli
1 fruit
1 tablespoon flaxseed oil

Meal 4, 2pm
2 cans tuna
7 ounces steamed brown rice
1 cup cut broccoli
1 tablespoon flaxseed oil

Meal 5, 5pm
8 ounces fish (tilapia is good and cheap)
7 ounces brown rice
1 cups cut broccoli
1 tablespoon flaxseed oil

Meal 6, 7pm
6-8 Ounces chicken breast
2 cups cut broccoli

Like I said these macros are not exact This is just an example for you.
You need to research and learn...
PROTEIN,
LOW G.I. CARBOHYDRATES
HEALTHY FATS.
Diet is by far the most important part of this thing!!!!!
Diet is what turns a man into a monster, you'll never do it without a proper diet.
Hope this helps, good luck :)
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+1 nice man. Good post
 
Whys that? ^^

I'm now up. 6am an about to go to the gym. It's day 4 of cycle. Will weigh in tonight after cycle. Also expect a before gym and current photo.

Side effects are fine so far. Just mega achy for a few days after pin. And sleeping is hard.

Startin my diet advice from you guys today. Massive thanks for that. Will update in a few hours :)
 
pretty sure RADAR means Nolvadex. Im not sure why, but Ive been hearing not to use it on a tren cycle. Im sure He, or someone else with experience with tren will let you know. But I would def listen to radar.....dudes a vet

and nice bro. cant wait for the pics. remember to eat and eat and eat man, your body is a furnace right now, you need ALOT of calories.
 
Really appreciating this guys thanks. Any ideas why radar? Will listen though.

Here it is. Me 4 months ago.

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Attached is me currently. On mobile ATM. So any errors will be edited on laptop shortly.

Hopefully you see the difference, I
Do. Just startin proper diet. 10 weeks from now I'm hoping will be best. Will post photos weekly.
 
Dude...I dont even know what to say...

your pics are what I thought you would look like.....

not tryin to be a dick, but you look like you have NEVER stepped foot in a weight room. You seriously have ZERO business using juice, ESPECIALLY TREN.

I would of been willing to help you out if you would of chose a different route.

I bet you would make damn near comparable gains just eating right and training THE RIGHT WAY.

There is alot to it. I wanna help you man, but you seriously made a horrible decision.

I bet you would gain muscle if you did absolutely nothing but ATE THE RIGHT SHIT.....and now....your on TREN bro.

make the most of your cycle, but I urge you to reconsider and stop the cycle and start pct right away. seriously...think about what your doing man, on near a gram of gear, 172lbs? you think thats a good decision?

best of luck man....just think about it. Its not too late to get off, save the juice for later, and recover
 
Ahhh do we really have to go back to step 1. Again, will never slay you for your advice, since it's massively appreciated.

I don't mean to cause offense. I've started, and i will finish the cycle. If you support me through the cycle, and feel the same after... I'll take it on board and stay off cycles untill i have some positive feedback.

Although, these past 4 monthsd or so, there has been significant growth, weight gain and strength.

I'm hoping, you'll be able to see past my arrogance, bite down and still help me through it. Can't stress enough, I'm NOT ignoring your advice, and do appreciate it. But will finish my cycle.

Thanks again bro.
 
obviously there is nothing I can say to you to change your mind.

Good luck man. But your gains will be mediocre at best. Ive seen it 100 times. I do want the best for you....but the best is not to be on 950mg/wk juice.

So I will help you with PCT and let you learn the hard way. It honestly breaks my heart and irritates the shit out of me at the same time.

but in 6 months...you'll look the same....unless you change your mentality bro

best of luck....:sulk:
 
Muahah it feels like I need to prove this to you :P

Well when the cycles over, if i am like you say, which i dont doubt you, then I'll 100% follow your advice until we can agree I'm ready.

Just started the diet this morning, appetite is through the roof so really enjoying it. And thanks for supporting anyway. I understand it irritates people to be going against what they know should be right.
 
wcjcMr.O said:
pretty sure RADAR means Nolvadex. Im not sure why, but Ive been hearing not to use it on a tren cycle. Im sure He, or someone else with experience with tren will let you know. But I would def listen to radar.....dudes a vet

and nice bro. cant wait for the pics. remember to eat and eat and eat man, your body is a furnace right now, you need ALOT of calories.
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From what I understand nolvadex can aggravate prolactin issues pretty intensely, causing gyno and other nasty sides to be that much worse.
And this is true for tren and deca but, I'm not sure if it is true for all 19 nor's.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong...
 
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From what I understand nolvadex can aggravate prolactin issues pretty intensely, causing gyno and other nasty sides to be that much worse.
And this is true for tren and deca but, I'm not sure if it is true for all 19 nor's.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong...
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yes this is correct
 
I've actually ordered some Forma, Got some friendly advice from a friend on these forums, put the order in earlier. So if thats needed it'd be killing 2 birds with one stone.
 
Yeah nolva can upregulate progesterone receptors or some shit. Use adex or letro if the gyno comes in.

Dude, like I said in my original post, nothing I say will change your mind on using AAS, specifically tren...so let me say that since you are going in hard, you have to eat like a wild man. Shove food down every 3 hours and lift weights like its your job. Hopefully your joints hold up and you can keep up with the diet. I always suggest people to get their diet 100% before using something but hopefully you are a quick learner and can do it now before you waste your precious first cycle.
 
I've got some great advice here, so if anything goes wrong, it's because i made a mistake, got no excuse. But starting my diet immediately.
 
Haha, I fully appreciate that, and iIm GMT-0 it's 2:39pm here haha. I generally feel very uncomfortable i've eaten so much. I can't work out if its a good feeling or not. Never the less, I'll carry on eating haha.
 
If anythings come from bodybuilding or
Lifting in general. I had no idea how much you guys treasure and genuinely worship food. It almost is like the key. I don't want to be semi toned like 90% of the lifters at local gyms. I want that next step. One stage ahead of everyone in terms of size and strength. Guess food really is the key :)
 
Im sure by now you realize you screwed up. You like many beginers look for the easy road to the top. I am sorry to break it to you but juice is only a small part of the equation. Thats why people advocate having years of hardcore training under your belt minimum 5. You will see results but they wont be what your expecting. The point im getting at is learn to train, eat, rest, and grow on your own first. Training isnt a sprint its a life long journey.

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For some reason today's session wasn't as great, bit of fatigue from insomnia the night before, still came out pumped. By keep getting short on breath.

Weighted in 4 lbs heavier in the past 5 days. And it's sticking. So very happy atm. See'ing differences already in shape.
 
For some reason today's session wasn't as great, bit of fatigue from insomnia the night before, still came out pumped. By keep getting short on breath.

Weighted in 4 lbs heavier in the past 5 days. And it's sticking. So very happy atm. See'ing differences already in shape.
 
wtf am i reading...

Dude, do you understand the compounds that you are injecting into your body? Test is one thing, but TREN - at your size and lifting experience? wtf? Man I was scared as hell when I took freaking anavar for the first time don't see how you could just jump into the most powerful steroid in the world just like that.

Don't even know what to say, good luck on the cycle, as wc said the gains you'll get you prob could have acheived naturally without messing up your body. And dbol on top of all that holy I honestly am speechless.
 
wtf am i reading...

Dude, do you understand the compounds that you are injecting into your body? Test is one thing, but TREN - at your size and lifting experience? wtf? Man I was scared as hell when I took freaking anavar for the first time don't see how you could just jump into the most powerful steroid in the world just like that.

Don't even know what to say, good luck on the cycle, as wc said the gains you'll get you prob could have acheived naturally without messing up your body. And dbol on top of all that holy I honestly am speechless.
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Ima say what I think

First people are going to do what ever they want first of all.

Second it is better for him to.come here while he's on the cycle so he can.atleast get advice on the best way to run it..

Third. U
Yes tren is STRONG but IMO you don't have to be a vet to use it..I know many members on this board who used ur in their first or second cycle.not saying names but they did and it worked great for them..a lot of fear is on tren and I understand why but I think we over fear it.not everyone will get bad sides from it. IMO as long as you do your research on.a single compond thourghly and understand how to use it etc then go for it.wont really make a diff if you use it the second cycle or 5th .the end result will most likely be the same

dig deep,dig hard.whatever drives you to workout hold on to it with everything you got.keep the fire burning
 
joeblow12345 said:
Im sure by now you realize you screwed up. You like many beginers look for the easy road to the top. I am sorry to break it to you but juice is only a small part of the equation. Thats why people advocate having years of hardcore training under your belt minimum 5. You will see results but they wont be what your expecting. The point im getting at is learn to train, eat, rest, and grow on your own first. Training isnt a sprint its a life long journey.

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Its not newbies fault or lazyness to blame.its Hollywood. The media in the bodybuilding world to blame..man I highly dout that the pro bbers hit there natty potential before they juiced..or movie stars etc..that's what gives new cats now days the erg to want the easy way out

dig deep,dig hard.whatever drives you to workout hold on to it with everything you got.keep the fire burning
 
Ok you jumped on the wagon a little early, your not the first and you certainly won't be the last.

I know right now these posts are going to be putting you on a downer but your already on so this is my advice....

I believe you are uk based so I guess your either using your local council gym or one of these high street virgin active/fitness first? If so get on the Internet and find out if there are any bodybuilders gyms in your area and start going there once a week at least and start talking to some serious bodybuilders and ask about how they train, exercises etc make friends there it will give you great motivation.
Get on YouTube and watch some videos of the big guys training their great for gym motivation
Just before I do legs I watch ronnie colemans leg workout vid to get me amped up.
Right now it's all about staying motivated and eating like a beast.
Don't let anything get you down bro go hard and go heavy
Squats twice a week Monday heavy squats Friday lighter squats eg. Split squats and leg press something like that.
The gym is your home now!

I look forward to seeing you progress throughout this log.

All the best man


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Pain is weakness leaving the Body
 
thelocal said:
Its not newbies fault or lazyness to blame.its Hollywood. The media in the bodybuilding world to blame..man I highly dout that the pro bbers hit there natty potential before they juiced..or movie stars etc..that's what gives new cats now days the erg to want the easy way out

dig deep,dig hard.whatever drives you to workout hold on to it with everything you got.keep the fire burning
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ehhh I somewhat agree.

Ya media throws it in your face everywhere that you have to look a certain way. But If you are stupid enough to believe that these guys in hollywood "just juice" to look like that, or a yoked out dude walking down the street "just does steroids" than its your own damn fault when you ef your body up. People dont take the time to research nutrition, supplements, workout programs, they just wanna juice and think thats all it takes. I think that is LAZY LAZY LAZY.

and no, your right, I highly doubt pro bb'ers hit there natural potential to juice either. But how many do you think were 6 foot tall, weighed 172 pounds and jumped into a 800mg/test with some tren thrown in after 4 months of training? Probably none.
 
Well i've taken all this into account. Been flamed, trolled, pm'd and given countless amounts of advice, i wouldn't have even made it this far without the support of some really nice and knowledgeable people on these forums. So i'm taking advice and stopping the cycle. I will not be taking Anabolics for the next 2-3 months, come back with my progress. And maybe see where we should go.
 
Bruvstar said:
Well i've taken all this into account. Been flamed, trolled, pm'd and given countless amounts of advice, i wouldn't have even made it this far without the support of some really nice and knowledgeable people on these forums. So i'm taking advice and stopping the cycle. I will not be taking Anabolics for the next 2-3 months, come back with my progress. And maybe see where we should go.
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Good decision bro.Thats very mature of you. Alot of people would just say F it and continue. But you will be glad you did in the long run man. And when you DO decide to cycle, you will REALLY benefit from it. You only pinned a few times, but I would still run a proper pct. But it looks like you have all that figured out man.

you still gonna continue with the log natural and post up pics? I think you should bro.....:evil:
 
Thanks man, yeh definitely will. I'll try edit it later.

As long as you guys are happy supporting still, I'll carry on with a natural log?
 
I'll cycle eventually, just when i'm ready, i'll keep everyone posted on AU NATURAL. If in 3Months Im sized up better and a good weight, then i'll seek advice for a decent cycle. But gonna start really taking it seriously and taking all advice i can.

Hopefully you guys will still follow and watch progression on the log :D
 
Just make sure you do some good PCT and eat well so you recover. Don't overthink the PCT though. You've only been on for a short time so your body will recover easily. Focus on these next few months on perfecting your workout and diet. The juice is always there...
 
Yeh thanks man appreciate all the help. Gonna do this properly from step 1 that way I will do it properly and gain SW some
Respect to
 
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