Freed two young birds last night.

[bdog527]

But I think a third might be dead. Some juvenile birds not sure what kind got trapped in the vent that lets the heat out from my clothes dryer. I could hear them chirping away for the past couple nights and thought they were in the wall of my laundry room. Well upon further inspection which entailed myself removing the dryer from the wall and pulling the damn thing out I found two little birdies right at the end of the tubing that acts as the vent.

After chasing them around the laundry room floor (they couldn't fly yet) I finally caught them and let them free outside my apartment. I hope they make it. Unfortunately last night after coming home from a friends it smelled like something had died. I hadn't reattached the dryer back to the wall yet and I could tell that the smell was coming from the vent so I think one may have died in there. I wonder if the mother bird will take care of them now that I have handled them. I hope so...I don't think they are old enough to make it in this crazy world on their own.

 

[Scarlett33]

Wonder how they got in there? Strange place to make a nest. That was nice of you to free them : )

 

[flexygrl]

AWWWWWWWWWWWW!


I raised two baby birdies!! They fell out of a nest and at the time I worked for a vet. Someone brought them in and no one wanted them. So I got a heating pad and baby bird food and fed them every two hours and kept them warm and they grew their feathers and flew away. It was so fun. Hopefully the mom will come get them. Can you see them, still or are they gone? If they are still there maybe you should call a wildlife rescue place.

 

[bdog527]

AWWWWWWWWWWWW!


I raised two baby birdies!! They fell out of a nest and at the time I worked for a vet. Someone brought them in and no one wanted them. So I got a heating pad and baby bird food and fed them every two hours and kept them warm and they grew their feathers and flew away. It was so fun. Hopefully the mom will come get them. Can you see them, still or are they gone? If they are still there maybe you should call a wildlife rescue place.

Well I was meeting some friends for pizza when this happened so I was short on time. I left them a couple pieces of bread cause I knew they had to be hungry but I have no idea if they eat bread. When I woke up this morning they were gone so who knows but hopefully the momma found them and is taking care of them. They weren't babies...they looked just about big enough to leave the nest and could half fly by taking little hops so maybe they took off somewhere. Hoping for the best.

 

[HANSEL]

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[biteme]

Life is tragic. You probably should have smashed their heads in very quickly, which would have saved them needless suffering.

 

[bdog527]

Life is tragic. You probably should have smashed their heads in very quickly, which would have saved them needless suffering.

Yeah I thought about that but I'm hoping for the best on this one.

 

[flexygrl]

Biteme,

That was really sick! What the hell is wrong with you. We as humans have a responsibility to wildlife. WHy, because we fucked up their environment. He did the right thing. Do you really feel you have the right to play god, and bash their heads in? If you think they deserve to die, atleast take them to a vet hospital. Most likely someone like me would've taken them, but in the small chance that the vet was a real asshole, atleast they could've been humanly euthanized.

This coming from someone who's pissed cause you're ex's BF killed your daughters dog. I'm surprised at you.

 

[biteme]

Biteme,

That was really sick! What the hell is wrong with you. We as humans have a responsibility to wildlife. WHy, because we fucked up their environment. He did the right thing. Do you really feel you have the right to play god, and bash their heads in? If you think they deserve to die, atleast take them to a vet hospital. Most likely someone like me would've taken them, but in the small chance that the vet was a real asshole, atleast they could've been humanly euthanized.

This coming from someone who's pissed cause you're ex's BF killed your daughters dog. I'm surprised at you.

You step on a cockroach and smash a mosquito. What's the difference? Does one creature deserve more compassion than another just because it's not as much an enemy to mankind. Creatures can't help what they are. It's not as if they asked to born what they are. I see things differently than you that's all. We slaughter cattle and pigs and eat them. How humane is that?

 

[flexygrl]

Smashing an animals head is NOT humane. Take it to a vet to get euthanized.

 

[casavant]

Smashing an animals head is NOT humane. Take it to a vet to get euthanized.

There's no difference, really. Stomping a small birds head would be a quicker death, actually. I'm not saying that's what I would do in that situation, but if I was going to kill a small bird I wouldn't take it to the vet.

 

[jackangel]

Pop quiz, hotshot. You find two birds. A third may already be dead. You think about ending their suffering. You get a rock and prepare to smash it on their heads. The rock is now in your hand. Will you ram it down, or throw it away? What do you do?

What do you do?

(Remember the movie Speed?)

 

[biteme]

There's no difference, really. Stomping a small birds head would be a quicker death, actually. I'm not saying that's what I would do in that situation, but if I was going to kill a small bird I wouldn't take it to the vet.

Yes, the truth is often ugly and some people aren't equipped to deal with it. The birds would have suffered even more on the way to the vet. My daughter had a fish that was being eaten alive by the other fish in the tank. Did I take it out and flush it down the toilet? No. I took it outside and smashed it with a rock, ending it's misery instantly. That was the most humane thing to do. Flexy, would you have flushed it?

 

[flexygrl]

No. I would have made sure that I didn't have two fish in a tank that like to eat eachother. To it his/her own. Smash away if that's what you like to do.

 

[flexygrl]

And another thing. This is wildlife! Not a domesticated animal. Let nature takes it's course. The mom bird probably found them and took them back to the nest. The whole thing about animals not taking care of their young after it's been touched by human hands is as much as a myth as women get too big if they weight train.

That's all. I said my peace.

 

[fogg88]

There's no difference, really. Stomping a small birds head would be a quicker death, actually. I'm not saying that's what I would do in that situation, but if I was going to kill a small bird I wouldn't take it to the vet.

Agreed. Just because you take an animal to the vet doesn't mean it's going to die a nice, pleasant death. The most frequent method of veterinary euthanasia is the heart-stick. Basically, they will jab a syringe of sodium-pentabarbatol through the animal's chest, and hopefully hit the heart. Quite often though, they miss and nail the lungs, resulting in a slower death. Regardless, this is very traumatic for animals. Sure, you can pay extra dinero to have the animal sedated first, but that's a pretty high expense for getting rid of strays.

If it was my choice, I'd rather have my brain disintegrated instantly via flattening-by-brick rather than having some vet jab a heavy guage needle into my chest.

 

[casavant]

No. I would have made sure that I didn't have two fish in a tank that like to eat eachother. To it his/her own. Smash away if that's what you like to do.

I really don't think he's suggesting that that is what he would like to do.

And unless you have fighting fish or something of the like, where it's an inherent characteristic for them to harm each other, how are you going to know in advance that one fish is going to be preyed on by the others?

You're being to emotional about this, chickie. You could look through all 8,000+ of my posts and you wouldn't find one instance where I condoned the pointless killing of an animal, but if it has to be done and you have the means to do it very quickly at home, then you don't need to take it to the vet. Geez, lady.

 

[flexygrl]

Casavant,

They were not sick, or injured. So why should he kill the birds?

 

[casavant]

Casavant,

They were not sick, or injured. So why should he kill the birds?

That's not what we're debating. Remember what I said in an earlier post?....

I'm not saying that's what I would do in that situation, but if I was going to kill a small bird I wouldn't take it to the vet.

 

[flexygrl]

Cas,

I'm not trying to beat a dead horse here, but the issue is that there is nothing wrong with the birds. They are just young. They are not sick and not injured. That's why beating them over the head until they die sounds so sick to me. If they were hurt, then maybe. I could personally never, ever do that. It really hurts me inside when I think of animals being sick or hurt. That's the point I was trying to make. To me, what seems logical is:

1) you find a baby wild animal...what you should do is call your local wildlife organization.

2) if the animal is hurt or sick...what you should do is call your local wildlife organization.

That's all I was trying to say. And yes, you are right, I did get too emotional, and I should probably not even reply to these threads anymore.

 

[flexygrl]

oh, and I hope I didn't offend anyone. That's not my intention at all!!!

I hope I am forgiven.

 

[ghee]

Slightly off topic here, but flushing a fish is actually one of the worst ways to kill a fish. The fish gets thrown, out of control down a dark pipe, where it slowly suffocates to death. I haven't read up on it in a long time, so maybe prevailing opinions have changed, but from what I understand sticking it in the freezer is actually the best way to do it.

 

[casavant]

Cas,

I'm not trying to beat a dead horse here, but the issue is that there is nothing wrong with the birds. They are just young. They are not sick and not injured. That's why beating them over the head until they die sounds so sick to me.

I already said- and re-emphasized- that I would not have killed those animals in that situation.

I don't like to see animals get hurt either. Hell, I came to a dead stop on a dirt road a couple of days ago until a box turtle crossed in front of me, and then I lingered long enough to make sure that he was all the way off the road before I continued on, just in case someone else came along and ran him over. I'm not into hurting animals for shits and giggles.

 

[HANSEL]

Are you certain the mother bird didnt have a way in to feed the birds? they were doing fine up until that point sooo I think they would have gotting a litter bigger and exited out your dryers exhaust and lived a happy life.


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[bdog527]

Are you certain the mother bird didnt have a way in to feed the birds? they were doing fine up until that point sooo I think they would have gotting a litter bigger and exited out your dryers exhaust and lived a happy life.


.

Yeah, they had been trapped down there for a couple of days. It was non stop scratching and chirping. Plus unfortunately I think there may have been a third cause my apartment has a funky smell like something died.

My girlfriend came over today and it was the first thing she remarked on. Guess I'll have to call the landlord.

 

[biteme]

Yeah, they had been trapped down there for a couple of days. It was non stop scratching and chirping. Plus unfortunately I think there may have been a third cause my apartment has a funky smell like something died.

My girlfriend came over today and it was the first thing she remarked on. Guess I'll have to call the landlord.

Animals die every day and are eaten in the wild. I guess it hits close to home when it happens in your home. It's a cruel world.

 

[bdog527]

Animals die every day and are eaten in the wild. I guess it hits close to home when it happens in your home. It's a cruel world.

Yes exactly. How many times have I passed a dead squirrell or bird and not given it a second thought? Death and birth are simply part of nature and the cycle of life, but in a small way I was given the chance to thwart death and give those birds a chance at life.

 

[casavant]

Yes exactly. How many times have I passed a dead squirrell or bird and not given it a second thought? Death and birth are simply part of nature and the cycle of life, but in a small way I was given the chance to thwart death and give those birds a chance at life.

I hear that. If there's a poisonous spider in my home (recluse or black widow), I'll kill it for safety's sake. But many times I've picked up an earthworm and put it in a moist, shady clump of grass when I've seen it writhing around on a hot sidewalk after a rain. I've also used them for fish bait. Arbitrary? Maybe. But at some point, we're all forced to be arbitrary. Let the worm on the sidewalk live another day; there's no reason in my mind to let it die. It makes me feel good, so in a way I guess it's selfish. Anyone familiar with the anecdote of Abraham Lincoln saving a momma hog's litter from drowning will know where I'm coming from.

When my family lived way out in the sticks, there were copperheads (a pit viper real common in this part of the US, for those who don't know) that lived all over the place. We stopped killing them after awhile- when we were living at another place and just stayed there during the summer- because there we so many of them out there and you usually knew when to keep a sharp eye out. Hell, one time my sister, my parents, and myself were sitting on the front porch about 10 o'clock one summer night and observed three copperheads at one time prowling for food in the front yard and around our rock terrace. You could literally see all three at one time. We didn't do a thing to them. Still don't, if we happen to see one out there now.

When we had to kill an animal in my family, we did it, but we were always taught to respect life and preserve it when we could.

Read "Chicken 81" in the June 2002 issue of Harpers magazine, written by my sister. It speaks to this very issue of my family's attitude towards the lives of animals.

"Nation Live Far Beyond Its Needs" (review)
http://www.nwaonline.net/pdfarchive/2002/June/21/6-21-02 A10.pdf

 

[biteme]

I hear that. If there's a poisonous spider in my home (recluse or black widow), I'll kill it for safety's sake. But many times I've picked up an earthworm and put it in a moist, shady clump of grass when I've seen it writhing around on a hot sidewalk after a rain. I've also used them for fish bait. Arbitrary? Maybe. But at some point, we're all forced to be arbitrary. Let the worm on the sidewalk live another day; there's no reason in my mind to let it die. It makes me feel good, so in a way I guess it's selfish. Anyone familiar with the anecdote of Abraham Lincoln saving a momma hog's litter from drowning will know where I'm coming from.

When my family lived way out in the sticks, there were copperheads (a pit viper real common in this part of the US, for those who don't know) that lived all over the place. We stopped killing them after awhile- when we were living at another place and just stayed there during the summer- because there we so many of them out there and you usually knew when to keep a sharp eye out. Hell, one time my sister, my parents, and myself were sitting on the front porch about 10 o'clock one summer night and observed three copperheads at one time prowling for food in the front yard and around our rock terrace. You could literally see all three at one time. We didn't do a thing to them. Still don't, if we happen to see one out there now.

When we had to kill an animal in my family, we did it, but we were always taught to respect life and preserve it when we could.

Read "Chicken 81" in the June 2002 issue of Harpers magazine, written by my sister. It speaks to this very issue of my family's attitude towards the lives of animals.

"Nation Live Far Beyond Its Needs" (review)
http://www.nwaonline.net/pdfarchive/2002/June/21/6-21-02 A10.pdf

You're a great guy. Gotta work out. Later.

 

[flexygrl]

Cas,

You sound like you came from a wonderful family. No wonder why you're a sweety!!!!