get over yourself... please...gautho said:I'm not trying to be arrogant here at all, but if i had the physique in 1977 that i have today, i'd have an Olympian physique. That's how much the sport has evolved. On the other hand, if Frank Zane brought his 1977 physique to the stage today, it probably wouldn't be enough to earn him pro status.
Frank was badass back in the day. I'm just trying to make a point about how much the sport has evolved.theprofessor said:get over yourself... please...![]()
gautho said:Frank was badass back in the day. I'm just trying to make a point about how much the sport has evolved.
Frank is still badass... his symetry and asthetics are as close to perfect as anyone will ever be... no he is not huge... but his physique has more charachter than anyone has ever had...gautho said:Frank was badass back in the day. I'm just trying to make a point about how much the sport has evolved.
solidspine said:I'm too tired to say anything intelligent, but of the three videos, you posted
Zane looks Phemonaial (sp) Those older guys all had nice thin waists.
Look at Ronnies' waist, ugh!
gautho said:Frank was badass back in the day. I'm just trying to make a point about how much the sport has evolved.
1968Charger said:
theprofessor said:Frank is still badass... his symetry and asthetics are as close to perfect as anyone will ever be... no he is not huge... but his physique has more charachter than anyone has ever had...
no disrespect... you have a powerful physique as well... one of the best on these boards... cant take that from you... and size wise you have him beat... but overall... i just dont see him being beat...
he could get a pro card in todays lineup... just not as a super heavy...
if the sport could get back to what he presented... i think a lot more people would be interested in working towards a goal like that...
Great post, yours too professor. My favorite physiques are Shawn Ray, Flex Wheeler, Dexter Jackson. Yes the symmetrical BB'ers, not the mass monsters. However, I still like Dorian. There's something about the blue-collared worker. Everyone should view Blood and Guts.rykertest said:I see the sport as changing but I have an issue with the world evolved. I guess it depends on how you define evolve. I see that as a step forward or progress, not trashing the art of body building into a lab experiment gone bad.
I cannot and will not take away the hard work and dedication of pros today, but they have missed the mark in my book. It's like trying to build a sports car and somehow creating a monster truck. Yeah it's big and all, but so grotesque and not even useable. There is no beauty or admiration, only shock and disgust. In my eyes, true bodybuilding was over about 15 years ago.
a few flaws in your theory. in 1977 30 years ago if you were to be warped back in time you would only have the knowledge and supplements that existed in 1977 along with very low steroid usage.if you were to magically take you current body in todays condition and warp yourself back to 1977 you would prob be bigger then most of the guys on stage .then warp frank zane forward to 2006 along with zane you would have to add on another 30lbs of muscle to his body to get zane into the year 2006 with gh use ,higher drug doses supplements and protien drinks. that would put frank zane into pro condition to keep up with the other pros .gautho said:I'm not trying to be arrogant here at all, but if i had the physique in 1977 that i have today, i'd have an Olympian physique. That's how much the sport has evolved. On the other hand, if Frank Zane brought his 1977 physique to the stage today, it probably wouldn't be enough to earn him pro status.
rykertest said:I see the sport as changing but I have an issue with the world evolved. I guess it depends on how you define evolve. I see that as a step forward or progress, not trashing the art of body building into a lab experiment gone bad.
I cannot and will not take away the hard work and dedication of pros today, but they have missed the mark in my book. It's like trying to build a sports car and somehow creating a monster truck. Yeah it's big and all, but so grotesque and not even useable. There is no beauty or admiration, only shock and disgust. In my eyes, true bodybuilding was over about 15 years ago.
Creepusmaximus said:These guys will start dying off soon enough then the sport will disappear or just be a small underground drug freak show or something will be done to kill off the drugs for the most part.
Creepusmaximus said:These guys will start dying off soon enough then the sport will disappear or just be a small underground drug freak show or something will be done to kill off the drugs for the most part.
True, good post.chazk said:a few flaws in your theory. in 1977 30 years ago if you were to be warped back in time you would only have the knowledge and supplements that existed in 1977 along with very low steroid usage.if you were to magically take you current body in todays condition and warp yourself back to 1977 you would prob be bigger then most of the guys on stage .then warp frank zane forward to 2006 along with zane you would have to add on another 30lbs of muscle to his body to get zane into the year 2006 with gh use ,higher drug doses supplements and protien drinks. that would put frank zane into pro condition to keep up with the other pros .
I see what your trying to say and all but its safe to say that the top pros back in the day were in their top shape today arnold might be 260lbs ripped on stage and frank zane 215lbs ripped on stage . It was a equal playing feild back then they all used a little drugs . Zane has been said to usd 15mgs of dbol along with 400mgs for his cutting cycles . So try to imagine him on todays cycles using every thing he can get a hold of .
I'm sure if zane did the cycles you are doing now zane would have a top quality pro body reguardless
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