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Last night they did a special on a Bob sledder that tested positive for nandralone. He denied and said that he thinks the false reading reading was from musletech protein powder.

Right away I am thinking he is bull shiting....so Fox buys 4 buckets of the muscletech protein powder from 2 different stores and sends them to two different labs.

The results......THEY TESTED POSITIVE FOR TRACE AMOUNTS OF NANDRALONE METABOLITES!!!

What the F%$#...

thats crazy.

Anybody see this last night?
 
what the fuck.... that would kinda hurt anyone using their product and competing at a college level who is natural

Cyclone
 
Give their customer service line a gingle and see what they say..Be carefull not to use your real name they might sue you.
 
LOL... This explains the amazing gains one can experience in just ONE week of using Nitro-Tech.... What's next? Dbol in Cell-Tech? mmmmm....dbol....

They need to put something anabolic in their bars cause that's about the only muscletech product I can actually say is good - the peanut butter meso-tech bars and the chocolate chip meso-tech bars... THATS ABOUT IT!

YUM
 
thats what it was....nitro-tech.

The poor guy couldn't compete in the olympics.


Now that I think about it...why would a world class athlet use nandralone..which stays in the blood for over a year.

Doesn't make sense.
 
if it was only trace ammounts, would it still show up on a test? I didn't know if it took so much to show up or not. Or if it only took a little to throw up the red lights.

Whiskey
 
i don't know I think this whole story is bullshit. That guy took some other shit, he is pretty jacked isn't he?? From what I remember.
 
They manufacture a couple of prohormone products, Anotesten and Nortesten?? I think. There Nor product could have been mixed in the same machine as with there protein powder. There could easily be some cross contamination.
 
BigAndy69 said:
They manufacture a couple of prohormone products, Anotesten and Nortesten?? I think. There Nor product could have been mixed in the same machine as with there protein powder. There could easily be some cross contamination.
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good thought bro... i didnt even think of that

Cyclone
 
but if they did find traces in it they are probably gonna remove it...fuck that im on mway to GNC and pickin me up a little supply before the new batch comes out.
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LOL!!! Shit I am on my way to. Do you think you buy it by the case?:angel:
 
PURE EXTRACT said:
I think they're large enough of a company to use different machines...no?
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How do we know this? They are all about maximizing profit, possibly to the detriment of quality control. I mean a company that spends so much money on deceptive marketing would not be too concerned with quality control.
 
Anybody know if it is true that the guys who work in the manufacturing plant pee in the MuscleTech protein vats while it is cooking? I heard that is what gives it the yellowish tint.
 
multi bazzzilllion dollar research team, my ass, lol they cook this shit up in a abandoned warehouse, maybe they had kovacs working in there and he was sweating so much it dripped into the vat , thats how nandrolone got in there.
 
We're picking on MuscleTech, but this can happen, and does happen with all the major companies who produce prohormones.

That's why the protein powders "for women" with pretty pink labels are starting to appear on the market.
 
Anybody remember the original Hot Stuff it was supposed to have D-bol in it. They pulled it from the shelf and put out Hot Stuff 2.
who knows but you can bet he was juiceing, I've heard that 98%
of all professional atheles take Deca. Even though the olimypics
are not professional sports but the money to win is still there.
 
Thats amazing...I was thinking about Hot Stuff the other day.

I used that shit in middle school. And it worked.

Never heard about the dbol thing though...that would explain it.

It is truly amazing how far supplements have come in ten years.

Shit back then was all marketing.

Shit I even tried the Bulgarian wight lifting method. They used to advertise all the time in all the magazines.

What a freaking waste of money.
 
The big thing back then was weight gainers...

like Heavyweight gainer 900

everyone tried to outdo everyone else..until Weider came out with the Heavywight Gainer 2000. Those freaking thing were loaded with carbs and fat.
 
I've read speculation that the original "hot Stuff" had methyl test added to their first batches that went out, I gotta admitt those early jars of hot stuff had a little kick. I also heard that early batches of Met RX had small amount of clen added to it to improve fat burning. I have no idea if either of these allagations are true but it makes one think.
 
I got the skinny-

Even though they are a huge company they (or the company they contract to make their supps) only have a few different mixing machines. Pat Arnold explained this on the sup board. He said it was entirely possible to test positive for nor-19 or nandrolone if you took his 1-AD PH. Muscletech isn't putting Nandrolone in their powder-it is just being tainted with nor-19. Pat said there was no way a company could afford to have a separate mixer for each and every supp.

Here's the link to the thread-its like half way down look for FHG43

http://209.11.101.244/forum/showthread.php?threadid=73415

Pat said the nor-19 will leave your system quick as it isn't like Deca which is esterified. So its possible to test out for nandrolone after taking the powder. If he were really on nandrolone he'd test positive a few times.

However that bobsledder was on nandrolone-he's using this as a defense!!

FHG
 
Guys whether you are for or against drug testing. We all know this guy is full of shit. #1) his t/e ratio had to be above the 6:1 ratio. #2) He had to have a very significant amount of the metabolites in his system to test postive.

There were only small traces of nandrolone in this powder. Not near enough to change the results of the test.

But, him and his trainer were very smart in bringing this point up. Test have been ran on these products before and most knowlegable people knew this could be a way out. I have been waiting for someone to use it.

I still think it is rediculous that someone at that level would even consider using deca.

But the way I feel about the IOC and WADA, after the 91 hearings. I hope the bobsledder sue their ass off and hits them for a couple of million.

They know their testing procedures are shitty. That is why they went before congress to make anabolics a schedule III drug. Thinking that would keep athletes from using.

Nautica
 
He probably is full of shit. But I think the T/E ratio is only for finding high levels of Test since its naturally in our bodies, and that the only way to know if the athlete is using "additional" test.

I think it doesn't really matter how much nandralone you have in your system...because it is not naturally occuring...right? Thats what I always thought when i played college football. I would only do test and steroids with short half lives.
 
strong island said:
thats what it was....nitro-tech.

The poor guy couldn't compete in the olympics.


Now that I think about it...why would a world class athlet use nandralone..which stays in the blood for over a year.

Doesn't make sense.
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Maybe he should sue Muscle-Tec!!!!!:D
 
ESPN reported that he tested at over 380 times the allowable limit for nandrolone. I highly doubt that he could max that by eating protein powder. Stupid asshole, why didn't he just use test and winny like everyone else. No wait, hold on! This is fucking bobsled! Who the hell needs gear for frickin' bobsled? It's not like he's squating a 1000 lbs or anything remotely close! He should shoot his coach for talking him into using gear for bobsled. For speed skating yes, for bobsled NOOOOOOO!
 
usersatch said:
ESPN reported that he tested at over 380 times the allowable limit for nandrolone. I highly doubt that he could max that by eating protein powder. Stupid asshole, why didn't he just use test and winny like everyone else. No wait, hold on! This is fucking bobsled! Who the hell needs gear for frickin' bobsled? It's not like he's squating a 1000 lbs or anything remotely close! He should shoot his coach for talking him into using gear for bobsled. For speed skating yes, for bobsled NOOOOOOO!
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Any amount of nandrolone metabolite in your system is an automatic 'positif' test result. The IOC has set a legal limit, but it is ridiculously low. Everyone knows its not a natural substance. The guy could've take some 19-nor-andro in large amounts also. More than likely he just didn't know it was easily detectable. Before I started coming to these boards (july 2001) I thought nandrolone was undectectable. I knew of some athletes who'd tested positive for it. This was back in 1997/98 and the cycling press ran some stories on these athletes. The stories said nandrolone was liked by endurance athletes since it 1) increased lean muscle mass (duh), 2) incresed red blood cell count, 3) helped w/fat burning, 4) was very difficult to detect. So some of this info is inaccurate. Steroids are atill not an exact science-so I think there is plenty of poor information out there. I know testing technology and science improve significantly every year so it is possible that 4 years ago nandrolone was hard to detect, but now...it's super easy. I'm guessing the guy took some stuff and just didn't understand it was easy to detect! Alot of coaches have plausible deniability-they say I don't want to know what you took or that you took anything.

FHG
 
Woooooow..... I wonder what their lawyers will do now since that is obviously a false alligation. Bet my money he lying. He should be a man and face up to his use. Those are the type of ass holes who fuel the media and all this steroid nonsense.
 
BigAndy69 said:


How do we know this? They are all about maximizing profit, possibly to the detriment of quality control. I mean a company that spends so much money on deceptive marketing would not be too concerned with quality control.
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Muscletech does not manufacture their own products. They use contract manufacturers, like 99% of other companies in the biz. Exceptions are places like Twin and Weider

Contamination in the parts per million of nor prohormones can cause a positive. The bobsledder Pavle is very likely telling the truth. Within the past couple of years there have been hundreds of similar cases as his. Before that there were almost no nandrolone positives in sports
 
nautica said:
Guys whether you are for or against drug testing. We all know this guy is full of shit. #1) his t/e ratio had to be above the 6:1 ratio. #2) He had to have a very significant amount of the metabolites in his system to test postive.

There were only small traces of nandrolone in this powder. Not near enough to change the results of the test.

But, him and his trainer were very smart in bringing this point up. Test have been ran on these products before and most knowlegable people knew this could be a way out. I have been waiting for someone to use it.

I still think it is rediculous that someone at that level would even consider using deca.

But the way I feel about the IOC and WADA, after the 91 hearings. I hope the bobsledder sue their ass off and hits them for a couple of million.

They know their testing procedures are shitty. That is why they went before congress to make anabolics a schedule III drug. Thinking that would keep athletes from using.

Nautica
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Uh, he tested positive for NANDROLONE, so why are you talking about T:E ratio?

And tell me Nautica, just how much nor prohormones need to be ingested to produce a positive? Have you read CAtlin's study?

"Our study suggests that trace contamination of androstenedione with
19-norandrostenedione is sufficient to cause urine test results positive for 19-norandrosterone,
the standard marker for nandrolone use. Oral steroid doses as small as 10 microg are absorbed
and excreted in urine"


Ten micrograms is all it takes. that is 1/100,000 th of a gram.

You displayed your ignorance on the subject here quite well
 
usersatch said:
ESPN reported that he tested at over 380 times the allowable limit for nandrolone. I highly doubt that he could max that by eating protein powder. Stupid asshole, why didn't he just use test and winny like everyone else. No wait, hold on! This is fucking bobsled! Who the hell needs gear for frickin' bobsled? It's not like he's squating a 1000 lbs or anything remotely close! He should shoot his coach for talking him into using gear for bobsled. For speed skating yes, for bobsled NOOOOOOO!
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2-3 milligrams of nordione slipped into a product can give levels that high. It is entirely possible. You guys do not know the facts and the numbers. You ought to do your homework
 
the_only_sepe said:
multi bazzzilllion dollar research team, my ass, lol they cook this shit up in a abandoned warehouse, maybe they had kovacs working in there and he was sweating so much it dripped into the vat , thats how nandrolone got in there.
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LOL
 
PLEASE!!!!, He's full of shit and if anyone thinks MUSCLETECHS PRODUCT GOT CONTAMINATED, than I guess all that quality control and testing hype is just BULL SHIT!! I can't believe a company that hypes up its quality control would be that careless to let a product that should'nt even contain prohormones become contaminated with it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but MUSCLETECHS protein is not suppose to contain prohormones, and personally I feel that MUSCLETECH would'nt have this poor of quality control. They should lay off the ELITE board and sue that guy for slandering their product. Sounds like they should be concerned withpeople like that and not ELITEFITNESS. A lot of contraversy surrounding the purity of MUSCLETECHS products over the years I noticed.
 
xrciseink said:
PLEASE!!!!, He's full of shit and if anyone thinks MUSCLETECHS PRODUCT GOT CONTAMINATED, than I guess all that quality control and testing hype is just BULL SHIT!! I can't believe a company that hypes up its quality control would be that careless to let a product that should'nt even contain prohormones become contaminated with it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but MUSCLETECHS protein is not suppose to contain prohormones, and personally I feel that MUSCLETECH would'nt have this poor of quality control. They should lay off the ELITE board and sue that guy for slandering their product. Sounds like they should be concerned withpeople like that and not ELITEFITNESS. A lot of contraversy surrounding the purity of MUSCLETECHS products over the years I noticed.
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The Muscletech product tested positive for nandrolone metabolites.

:rolleyes:
 
xrciseink said:
PLEASE!!!!, He's full of shit and if anyone thinks MUSCLETECHS PRODUCT GOT CONTAMINATED, than I guess all that quality control and testing hype is just BULL SHIT!! I can't believe a company that hypes up its quality control would be that careless to let a product that should'nt even contain prohormones become contaminated with it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but MUSCLETECHS protein is not suppose to contain prohormones, and personally I feel that MUSCLETECH would'nt have this poor of quality control. They should lay off the ELITE board and sue that guy for slandering their product. Sounds like they should be concerned withpeople like that and not ELITEFITNESS. A lot of contraversy surrounding the purity of MUSCLETECHS products over the years I noticed.
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The Muscletech product tested positive for nandrolone metabolites. Maybe we should be sueing them, maybe that guy should be sueing them.

In fact I used muscletech products and it made my balls shrink and my hair started falling out and I felt really sick. Also it depressed the shit out of me. I think im gonna sue them.

:rolleyes:
 
Yes. I agree we should all sew them for all of the BULLSHIT they have l;ied to the public about. Im not backing them, I just know of how they hype up all of their products and the main hype is the amount of research and quality control they claim goes into this and since they failed another lab test in 1999. "The Book THE MOMENT OF TRUTH", I think they should be sued for giving people substances they choose not to put in their body. Especially hormones. If I'm not mistaken a class action suit can be started for false advertisement.
 
Maybe a lawyer could tell us if we are entitled to anything.

Ok lets put together a team of lawyers on Elite and see if we can win this one!!

All of those that used Muscletech products and had shitty results and got fucked up please come forward.
 
Adaptek said:
Maybe a lawyer could tell us if we are entitled to anything.

Ok lets put together a team of lawyers on Elite and see if we can win this one!!

All of those that used Muscletech products and had shitty results and got fucked up please come forward.
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Actually a very good idea.
 
pa1ad said:



Uh, he tested positive for NANDROLONE, so why are you talking about T:E ratio?

And tell me Nautica, just how much nor prohormones need to be ingested to produce a positive? Have you read CAtlin's study?

"Our study suggests that trace contamination of androstenedione with
19-norandrostenedione is sufficient to cause urine test results positive for 19-norandrosterone,
the standard marker for nandrolone use. Oral steroid doses as small as 10 microg are absorbed
and excreted in urine"


Ten micrograms is all it takes. that is 1/100,000 th of a gram.

You displayed your ignorance on the subject here quite well
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Errrr... you're very wrong here.

Deca shuts down the HPTA FAST. Hence, Nat. test goes WAY
DOWN. Therefore, the ET:T ratio gets skewed backwards NOT
forwards(>6:1). This is a tell-tale sign of progestin-based
AAS usage. Then, they just test for progestin-based AAS
metabolites and you're toast.

Fonz
 
pa1ad said:



Uh, he tested positive for NANDROLONE, so why are you talking about T:E ratio?
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pa1ad, You seam very smart on this matter. Could you answer how other steroids (EQ, Tren) show up on a piss test that only look for the T/E ratio? I have asked this before and the only answer I got was its the metabolites that stay in your system.
 
I think the whole thing is bogus. Before the summer Olympics started C.J. Hunter tested positive for nandralone four times. He claimed that his iron supplement was contaminated and this same iron supplement also caused two other athletes to fail. Then there is also former Olympic 5,000-meter champion Dieter Baumann of Germany who claimed that there were trace amounts of nandralone in his toothpaste which caused him to test positive. If there really was nandralone in C.J. Hunter's iron supplement then I would like to know the name because his test indicated levels of 1000 times higher than normal.
 
that's about all they're good for: chocolate chip and peanut butter mesotech bars. that nitrotech whey sucks the hind tit!!
 
ryker77 said:



pa1ad, You seam very smart on this matter. Could you answer how other steroids (EQ, Tren) show up on a piss test that only look for the T/E ratio? I have asked this before and the only answer I got was its the metabolites that stay in your system.
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When you turn over your urine they do more than test the T:E ratio. Most places will run a whole bank of tests. Urine is a waste product. You will excrete metabolites of any substance your body was trying to breakdown. Certain metabolites indicate the presence of certain substances. EQ and Tren will change your T:E ratio, but they also must be broken down by the body. As your body metabolizes/uses these substances byproducts called metabolites are created. In athletic events, drug tests check the hormone levels and look for metabolites/byproducts of drugs. Any drug can be detected in the body. HGH and EPO can be detected. The HGH tests just aren't very reliable that is why they can't use them in sporting events. The EPO test is poor (it's a French test), but appears to work. It has caught a few people (however most of them have gotten off on technicalities-like 'the test isn't reliable' technicality being the big one). It has also given some false positives. This has called its reliability into question. If you turn over enough bodily fluids a lab can prety much tell you everything you were taking and how much. They had actually developed an EPO test in 1994-95, but it required like 3liters of urine-That's alot and no endurance athlete could produce that much after a competition. Luckily the stupid international cycling governing body said it was an ineffective test-not because the amount of urine was ridiculous and impractical-they liked EPO cause it made the sport fat! It was a conspiracy. Also the guy they were paying to make the test-Dr. Ferrari, a sport doctor in Italy-he was coaching guys and giving them EPO!!! At the same time he was developing a test for the the cycling federation!!! He was taking the mkoney they were paying him and buyiong EPO and selling it to his athletes!!! LOL Anyway I'm off topic.

They can do just about anything to a urine sample and figure out what you're puttin in yourself. HGH tests aren't reliable yet, but give them another year and they'll be able to detect it with some degree of certainty.

FHG
 
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