for the guys on hrt?

[bigmusclehead]

without any exageration guys how many fellows here follow the current guide lines for hrt.what i mean to say is according to what ive read and was told by my endo 100mg of test cyp or enthanate is the corrrect protocol for hrt in men.have any ones doc every increase the amount (and to what dosage did the doc allow) and if so does it have any drastic impact on your blood profile?especially hematocit levels?ty only current hrt guys with experience on this subject id like to hear from.

 

[Big O]

I'll let you know later today....Here's my blood work resultsWell I got a copy of the lab results.....Not sure what it all means but I have an appointment with a new Dr. that's on the National Testosterone Tune Up program....

My hgh is way out of range.....2 - ng/ml reference range...0.01-1.41
My Lh is out of range ....0.1 miu/ml " " ......1.5-9.3
My Fsh also ...0.3 miu/ml " " .......1.4-18.1
Testosterone 140 ng/ml " " ........270-1070
Free Testosterone 4.7 pg/ml " " .........10.8-40.0

Glucose 111 mg/ml " " .......67-109

 

[mikefear]

200mg/wk for me.

 

[PWTurbofan]

without any exageration guys how many fellows here follow the current guide lines for hrt.what i mean to say is according to what ive read and was told by my endo 100mg of test cyp or enthanate is the corrrect protocol for hrt in men.have any ones doc every increase the amount (and to what dosage did the doc allow) and if so does it have any drastic impact on your blood profile?especially hematocit levels?ty only current hrt guys with experience on this subject id like to hear from.

How old are you? What were your Total/Free Test levels? Are you currently on HRT?

I started HRT a couple months ago and my doc put me on AndroGel. At the max dose (2 50mg T packets ED), you're still only taking in about 70mg/week. I just went back to my doc last week and told him I was sick of applying the gel, because in order for me to get the desired effect I had to apply it to my nuts (which significantly increases absorption). He switched me to Depo-Test (test cyp) at 200mg/wk. Only been on it a week, and will have my blood checked in another couple weeks.

I just had a complete blood panel prior to starting the injections...Everything, including hematocrit, was normal (this was after 8 weeks of AndroGel).

 

[kbrkbr]

HRT for me is 350mg. cyp/ 350mg eq. EW and a handful of ancilliaries.

 

[bigmusclehead]

HRT for me is 350mg. cyp/ 350mg eq. EW and a handful of ancilliaries.

bro u cant be serious???

 

[CO B-man]

without any exageration guys how many fellows here follow the current guide lines for hrt.what i mean to say is according to what ive read and was told by my endo 100mg of test cyp or enthanate is the corrrect protocol for hrt in men.have any ones doc every increase the amount (and to what dosage did the doc allow) and if so does it have any drastic impact on your blood profile?especially hematocit levels?ty only current hrt guys with experience on this subject id like to hear from.

I like to consider my HRT that I actually do as an "Enhanced HRT" program Enhance with "Supplements" that I have self prescribed. My directions were to start out with 100/mg per week because "Test is strong" So I did I started injecting the first half cc of 200/mg per ml then I preceded to imediately increase the dose with an additional 1.25 cc's 2 times a week because I did not notice any differeneces in the very first second of my inject. LOL!

 

[welloiledmachine]

Hrt is 200mg or less, while using HCG at 100 units three time per week to prevent testicular atrophy and to keep natural test levels up. Anything more is not HRT, and considered excessive. I get blood work done every 3-6 months. I have normal liver enzyemes after years of dosing, and my HDL/LDL are within normal ranges. I am 30 years old and I have miss used PCT in earlier years which has brought my natural ranges to under 150 dg/ml. this is very low for someone my age. Since starting HRT a year ago, I have been able to raise levels to 300-350 without negative rise in liver enzymes or cholesterol.

 

[kbrkbr]

bro u cant be serious???

Sorry, I left out 8iu gh EOD.

I'm 50 and feel like a million bucks. The only complaint I have is that I dance salsa 6 hours/week and it's tearing up my ankles. Don't know what to do about that but I'm addicted to beautiful young women.

 

[CO B-man]

Sorry, I left out 8iu gh EOD.

I'm 50 and feel like a million bucks. The only complaint I have is that I dance salsa 6 hours/week and it's tearing up my ankles. Don't know what to do about that but I'm addicted to beautiful young women.

Increase zinc and magnesium intake. Walmart, Walgreens are great domestic sources!

 

[solidspine]

100mg of test cyp or enthanate

I dropped all growth and bumped the test to 1 gram per week until I start a cycle.


Works great,


But can’t lose any weight, actually gaining weight,


Such is life,


I’m 56

 

[kbrkbr]

Increase zinc and magnesium intake. Walmart, Walgreens are great domestic sources!

Bro, do you mean for my ankles? Thanks.

 

[CO B-man]

Bro, do you mean for my ankles? Thanks.

Yes! Fish oils very good, Glucosamine is good, Vitamin C, you should at least be taking a multi-vitamin. Evryone should but flax oil very good too! I have hundreds of bottles of different stuff but too much of the wrong thing not good. Actually too much of most things is not good. I guess what I am saying is there is a simple cure for your ankles through the right vitamins (Unless its arthritis)

 

[bigmusclehead]

Hrt is 200mg or less, while using HCG at 100 units three time per week to prevent testicular atrophy and to keep natural test levels up. Anything more is not HRT, and considered excessive. I get blood work done every 3-6 months. I have normal liver enzyemes after years of dosing, and my HDL/LDL are within normal ranges. I am 30 years old and I have miss used PCT in earlier years which has brought my natural ranges to under 150 dg/ml. this is very low for someone my age. Since starting HRT a year ago, I have been able to raise levels to 300-350 without negative rise in liver enzymes or cholesterol.

ok finally someone who has some bloodwork done hehe.ok hears my story im 42 and on hrt i do up the dose while cycling so when i did my last cycle which included deca it increased my rbc and hematocrit enough to have my endo lower my test e to 75 mg /week which is bullshit.seems erections and overall well being is dratically reduced problem is if i increase to 200mg a week and the endo can see that my hematocit isnt lowered he will cut me off in fear of hematocrit causing stroke rerlated issues .(like i never seen that happen to a pro body builder mega juicing hehe)bro hcg eh?wonder if he would go for that my nuts have shrunk quite a bit.hmmm interesting.

 

[monopoly19]

Hrt is 200mg or less, while using HCG at 100 units three time per week to prevent testicular atrophy and to keep natural test levels up. Anything more is not HRT, and considered excessive. I get blood work done every 3-6 months. I have normal liver enzyemes after years of dosing, and my HDL/LDL are within normal ranges. I am 30 years old and I have miss used PCT in earlier years which has brought my natural ranges to under 150 dg/ml. this is very low for someone my age. Since starting HRT a year ago, I have been able to raise levels to 300-350 without negative rise in liver enzymes or cholesterol.

I think in your case, HRT has failed. IMO, 350 is still on the low side, especially for someone 30 years old. HRT should put you on the upper limits, I would be dissapointed if I was not in the 700-1000 range.

Monopoly

 

[Big O]

No way...250 tops.....Im going thru this process as we speak

 

[CO B-man]

I think in your case, HRT has failed. IMO, 350 is still on the low side, especially for someone 30 years old. HRT should put you on the upper limits, I would be dissapointed if I was not in the 700-1000 range.

Monopoly

Its like half of what it should be

 

[PWTurbofan]

I think in your case, HRT has failed. IMO, 350 is still on the low side, especially for someone 30 years old. HRT should put you on the upper limits, I would be dissapointed if I was not in the 700-1000 range.

Monopoly

Agreed. According to my lab, the ideal range for a 30YO is between 400 and 1080...These ranges vary slightly from lab-to-lab, but the goal of HRT is to push you into the mid-normal of the range. Even if your lab used a lowered range of 300-1000 (which is commonly seen), 350 would still be considered low-normal and the HRT dosage would probably be adjusted.

 

[trinidad]

250 mgs. ew

 

[PWTurbofan]

250 mgs. ew

What's the max dosage that a doc can legitimately prescribe? Is there a max? For example, my depo-test package insert says that 50-400mg should be administered every 2-4 weeks.

 

[Oasis]

To be truly honest with you everyone is going to have a different level of dosage. In proper HRT it is not only based on your lab results but in addition on truly how the patient feels. Anyone can be given 600mg of test per week and feel fine but is that truly a safe dose that may not cause other problems. The goal is to start low and increase when needed to finally get yourself feeling right i.e. (energy levels increase, increased libido etc.) HRT is also about fine tuning. Look at the body as a symphony. If one section is out of tune it will cause the whole thing to out of tune. The body works the same way. Your body has many different hormones that make if function properly and keeps you healthy. If one of them is out of tune it could throw the whole thing off. Example high estrogen levels may be the problem for low free testosterone levels. Get that in check first and then move on to the testoserone. It was once said that a person wants to start with the adrenal hormones first and then fine tune the others.

As for the comment what is normal for a 30 year old is really hard to prove. What may be normal for one may not be the norm for another. Really there is no way to prove this. The ranges on these lab tests are taken from the general public and not for patient specific. They basically say that a 80 year old should be between 247 - 827ng (LabCorp) and that same reference range for an 18 year old person. So if they both have a level of 300ng does that make sense? Not really. To really get your optimum levels and possibly dosages doctors should begin testing these levels on patients that are around 18 year olds when they are in their supposed prime to be able to establish proper protocols later in life. That is where it gets difficult in this point in time this testing is not done. So the best way is really just trial and error until you get the right mix. It may take adjustments to the dosage and even as far as trying different methods gels, creams, pellets, injections to really find the proper fit and dosage for each individual.

Most doctors will also try to keep patients within the top 20% of that range but it ultimately will also depend on how the patient feels. If you are taking 100mg of test per week and don't feel any better whats the use?

If anyone else has any thoughts or questions please feel free to comment and ask questions.

 

[Ulter]

You can always supplement your HRT. Most guys do. Or you can find a doc who will give you 400mg/wk of test and deca. And they're out there.

I used 2 of the "internet" HRT clinics before. Both have since been busted and the patients were contacted by the Justice Dept to testify. It's funny how fast they spring up again somewhere else all thinking they're bulletproof. If they want you, they'll come and get you.

 

[PWTurbofan]

You can always supplement your HRT.

Right on...The nice part is having 200mg EW US-pharma-grade covered by insurance!

 

[heavy_duty]

1 pack of gel ED.

 

[boz44]

You can always supplement your HRT. Most guys do. Or you can find a doc who will give you 400mg/wk of test and deca. And they're out there.

I used 2 of the "internet" HRT clinics before. Both have since been busted and the patients were contacted by the Justice Dept to testify. It's funny how fast they spring up again somewhere else all thinking they're bulletproof. If they want you, they'll come and get you.

Did you get in any trouble? I assume they chose you to testify because of who you are. Experience, knowledge, etc... I am currently in hrt through an online clinic. They are prescribing 500 a week Test Sustanon and 3 iu's a day growth. I hope I don't get called to testify one of these days.

 

[Tweakle]

If I took what my doc wanted me to (200mg e2w) I would be worse off than if I stayed clean. With low AR affinity and stupid high SHBG levels I need 250mg a week to get to the high end of 'normal' and double that if I want to actually gain strength and size from lifting all these weights.

Its so subjective, despite what the white-coats would have you believe.

 

[welloiledmachine]

I agree 350 sucks, but thats after coming of HCG. for weeks. I do this in order to monitor my blood work correctly. I overlooked PCT for years and it has definatly affected my levels. What counts is that I feel much better, as you get very depressed under 200. My levels while on are over 1000 but thats with no more than 600test, 400 Deca per week. I also use 4iu's of Saizen, two in morning two at night. BF is about 8% and thats without dieting. I weigh 210-215 depending on diet, and am running about 2/3cycles per year, with HRT in between.

 

[liquidmuscle]

my doc prescribes 200mg eow. so i just stockpile and go from there.

 

[bigmusclehead]

If I took what my doc wanted me to (200mg e2w) I would be worse off than if I stayed clean. With low AR affinity and stupid high SHBG levels I need 250mg a week to get to the high end of 'normal' and double that if I want to actually gain strength and size from lifting all these weights.

Its so subjective, despite what the white-coats would have you believe.

i hear ya bro high shgb is a problem for me as well however my last bioavailable read just 4.3 and my total test was well below normal range.however my endo noted my hematorit level was over the normal range not by much but still over so he lowered my dosage to 75 a week saying im getting to much which is reflecting my high hemaocrit bullshit i say now im lucky if i get a woody dam .i spoke up and said my bioavailabe is just over norm what gives he responded by saying well its in the normal range so its good enooooooooooough duh.however the dam deca i took was responsibe for the elevated hematatocrit whick i ran weeks before i didnt mention that of course so it looks like i fucked myself there.shit lol

 

[Oasis]

bigmusclehead,

Your hct will also increase due to the testosterone along with your red blood cells. You can eleviate that by giving blood at the Red Cross or have your doctor take blood. This should bring down those levels. It is very common when on HRT continuous testosterone that these will increase. Also a suggestion (not part of a true hrt but effective) you may want to try to add a small dosage of stanozolol which will help in decreasing the SHBG.