For my 1st cycle

[MRDYNAMITE]

Is tribulus and liquidex Test/Deca/Dbol a good stack for beginners? I hit the gym on and off for 5yrs and got serious with it in 2008, I go regularly 3 times a week for about an hour each time I do very little cardo as I don't need it but in the last 2 yrs I was able to gain 40 lbs. I eat a lot and take plenty protein shakes I just started taking creatine 4 months ago which added no more then 5 lbs to me if that. I have been doing my research on cycles for the past year and for my first cycle I want to do a Tribulus and Liquidex Test/Deca/Dbol the problem is I don't know how much I need to take of each & when I should take them. I am 35 yrs old 172 lbs 5'10" I want to get up to 210 lbs. I want to bulk with little water weight will this work please help

 

[-SD-]

Too many compounds for first cycle. A first cycle should almost always be just testosterone as its the safest drug, or possibly just Dbol or just EQ. Or if money is of no concern, Primobolan Depot. Deca is not recommended alone due to shutdown/progesterone concerns. If I was to do a first cycle it would be Test Cyp or Enanth at 400mg/wk for 8 weeks. Same for EQ or Primo if you choose either of those. Thats all. And of course use the required PCT regiment. Although at your height and weight it sounds like you could stand to gain maybe 20 more all natural pounds before hitting the drugs. Just my opinion.

 

[MRDYNAMITE]

So their is no need for the Tribulus or liquidex? I also want to avoid as much water weight as possible 20 more pounds seriously? it took me a full year to gain 20 lbs at 3500-3700 calories a day what am I doing wrong?

 

[Discreet User]

Look into your diet and training seriously before turning to AAS.

That being said, do testosterone cyp or enan at 400mg/week. That is what I'm on right now as my first cycle and I'm feeling great, gaining great, hunger is up, super horny etc...

 

[MRDYNAMITE]

Are you getting any bloating and how much have you gained and how long did it take? What about the Tribulus do I need it? & what about a post cycle? Seems I will have to wait another year before I start but I just want to get all the info correctly and hopefully gain 20 -30 lbs prior to starting. as for my diet my trainer is the one who gave it to me for 3500 calories 4days and 3700 calories for 3days a week but my weight has not changed as he expected so he put me on creatine and that only added an extra 6 pounds to my regular weight gain for the past 2 yrs of 20 lbs a yr. I am just tired of being the small guy.

 

[Discreet User]

Are you getting any bloating and how much have you gained and how long did it take? What about the Tribulus do I need it? & what about a post cycle? Seems I will have to wait another year before I start but I just want to get all the info correctly and hopefully gain 20 -30 lbs prior to starting. as for my diet my trainer is the one who gave it to me for 3500 calories 4days and 3700 calories for 3days a week but my weight has not changed as he expected so he put me on creatine and that only added an extra 6 pounds to my regular weight gain for the past 2 yrs of 20 lbs a yr. I am just tired of being the small guy.

I can understand your frustration. Check out the HST website: http://www.hypertrophy-specific.com/hst_index.html

HST has helped many people grow, even once they had reached some perceived "plateau".

Read through that website. It contains training and diet information.

It is, of course, possible that even with HST you will not continue to grow. If you follow HST by the letter for a 6 week HST routine, and still fail to grow, the next step would be to contact a physician for a complete physical and blood work for testosterone replacement therapy.

pbhardbody is very knowledgeable about replacement therapy, check out his thread: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/l...lding/how-choose-right-hrt-clinic-710857.html



It is possible that at your age your testosterone levels are quite low.
Make sure that you are not doing anything, which might inhibit your natural testosterone production, mainly: alcohol consumption, drug use (even otc and prescription drugs you may not need), stress and lack of sleep.


In regards to your other questions:
"Are you getting any bloating and how much have you gained and how long did it take?"

I'm using an AI, Arimidex, which is standard practice for a testosterone cycle. I have certainly gained, but I am only in week 2 right now of a 10 week cycle. I have not yet experienced any bloating. My measurements are all taken utilizing a medical Tanita scale. Feel free to PM me in a few weeks and I'll let you know if any serious bloat arises.