fonz...for your own education

[GoldenDelicious]

ok then fonz, let me take another look at your post....brace yourself, amoeba brain

before i start, though, i must say that you have been nominated as a candidate for the wanker hall of fame, since you deleted a post by a health professional (me) which would certainly have helped a member (the original poster of this thread) to feed your own insecurities and delusions.

i wouldnt be surprised if i opened the dictionary, looked up the meaning of the word wanker and saw your avatar. but i digress. ahem.

1. Taking medication for the BP is a STOP-GAP measure.

no, fonz. taking medication for blood pressure is not a stop gap measure, it is actually a lifelong solution in most cases. depending on the type of blood pressure medication used, you can control the amount of fluid in the body (angiotensin converting enzyme inhibitrs or ACE inhibitors for short, as well as angiotensin receptor antagonists) or you can control the contractility of the heart tissue, as well as decrease heart rate (beta 2 adrenergic receptor blockers

).(Beta-1 adrenoreceptors control hear rate) Fonz 1 GD 0)

so long as blood pressure and heart rate drop down to normal, acceptable levels, there will be no worsening of the condition, because the root cause of effects such as ventricular atrophy and aneurisms has been eliminated.

i think youre confused with other medications which mask symptoms. blood pressure control doesnt mask, it corrects.


I said a stop-gap measure because he will keep using AAS. Stop reading out of your backwards pharmacology manual because it does not deal with healthy males using AAS. BP will not drop back down to normal with the amount of AAS he is using. Any Vet will tell you that much. (Fonz 2 GD 0)

2. His left ventricle walls have thickened....do you simply think they will stay
the same if he keeps on using that amount of AAS? Hell, no.

actually, in certain circumstances, hell YES. if you can eliminate the root cause of the ventricular atrophy, then the ventricular walls will at least remain the same. furthermore, it has been seen that part of the ventricular atrophy which occurs as a result of high BO does in fact reverse; the thickening itself may atrophy back to normal, but alas, stretching will not.

so do us all a favour and keep your loud mouth shut when you dont know what you are talking about. (ill even go so far as to spell it out for you...thats RIGHT NOW)

In certain circumstances? LOL.....you must have gone to a institution for higher stupidity. We don't want a MAYBE? here, we want COMPLETE NORMALIZATION of his ventricular atrophy. (Fonz 3 GD 0)

3. The echogram, I can tell you right now will be abnormal.

mate you can tell me anything you want, chances are ill be right in my assumption that you dont know what the fuck you are on about.

Don't ever call me mate. You're a moron to me.

4. Brain aneurism???

yes fonz. brain aneurism. an aneurism is where the diameter of a blood vessel increeases drastically, usually in response to high pressure. kind of like when a clown (no fonz, not you this time) blows into a long balloon and you get a big bubble in the middle of it.

Again......stupidly wrong. It would take years and years for the intercraneal pressure to rise due to high BP, as the brain blood vessels always keep a constant BP. It never changes. Unless of course you use AAS in the super-high range for very long periods of time. (Fonz 4 GD 0)


you see fonz, this is what you learn when you go to university. you actually learn how the body works, general trends, physiology etc etc. for your amoeba brain, ill translate that: in university you actually learn what the fuck is happening, so when you give someone advice, it is viable, and youre not just talking out of your arse.

I think the one talking out of your ass is you. You have no experience with AAS, and no experience in the pharmacology of AAS in otherwise healthy adult males. I do. (Fonz 5 GD 0)

What on earth is your brother thinking?

if you were a real doctor or had half a clue you would actually have an idea what he was thinking, instead of ridiculing the guy and talking a big bunch of shit.

My brother is doing his Ph. D in theoretical Physics.....your brothers credentials do not impress me one bit. The one thing that does amuse me, is that you're just have a BSc in pharmacology and your brother is WAY, WAY ahead of your sorry ass. Must suck to be the stupid one in the family.

Intercraneal pressure is kept CONSTANT. It never changes unless its trauma induced(E.g. the brain swells due to a concussion).

wow fonz you have invented a new term. inter cranial pressure...i guess that means the pressure between two skulls. did you by any chance mean intra cranial pressure?

Pressure is defined as the force per unit area. Whats in our skulls? Veins and capillaries that are circular in diameter. Therefore intercraneal pressure is simply the amount of force being generated by the blood running through the veins(Which generates a force) and capillaries(Which generates a smaller force, because they are smaller) per total area of the subjects brain.
Bio-chemistry lesson over. (Fonz 6 GD 0)


i find it wonderous that the pressure inside your head is kept constant. wow that really amazing. especially when you consider that the pressure of blood inside arteries in the brain (yes..thats intra cranial fonz) must be higher than the surrounding smaller vessels in order to flow into them. thats the basic principle behind a pressure gradient.

BP is kept constant in the brain. It is the one part of the body with a constant BP throughout. And ever hear of mass flowrate? No, I guess you haven't. You really should touch up on fluid mechanics, it'll help you understand your foolishness a bit better. (Fonz 7 GD 0)

I have done extended cycles...and right now you HAVE to REST and let your heart repair itself. Which it can. I have done enough research into that specific field that I can say that your heart is not too far gone.

1. Drop all AAS except a VERY low test dosage: 200mg/week
(Going cold turkey right now would just not be the best thibg to do)
Use Novaldex at 10mg/day to keep your lipid levels in check.

fuck here we go. you reckon this guy should drop his intake to 200mg test a week (even though a normal body produces around 70mg a week...damn fonz you really solved this one) and then say he should use 10mg nolva a day (when? for how long? forever?) to keep his lipids in check? what the fuck are you on about? an anti estrogen to keep your lipids in check? by this rationale everyone, everyone out there who has erectile dysfunction, just pop some paracetamol.

Again.....your stupidity shows. Nolvadex acts as a weak estrogen, and therefore will keep his triglyceride levels within normal parameters. If you had ever done this and performed blood test you would know, but you haven't. And paracetamol affects the liver you moron, so next time try to use a more apt analogy. (Fonz 8 GD 0)

i mean, heaven forbid we use drugs designed to control cholesterols and lipids to actually influence cholesterols and lipids!

Lipitor? LOL.....read the side effect profile. God, you are blatantly naive.

1. R-ALA: 1000mgs/day Increases oxygen transport to the heart by 32%
2. Co-Q10: Acts synergisitically with R-ALA. 100mg/day Or, you could use the new Synthetic Idebenone(A stronger form of Co-Q10) at 50mg/day)
3. Acetyl-L-Carnitine(Most important nutrient of all) 10g/day AlCar has been shown to make the ventricle walls of 80 year old men into those of 30-40 year old men. It is the PREMIER heart wall agent repair substance.
4. Green Tea(Standardized for 50% ECGC, 90% catechins and 60% Polyphenols): 2000mg/day Has been shown to have numerous hear protective properties, and will help protect your heart while the other supplemments are doing their job of repairing it.
5. R-ALA+AlCar+GT also will demolish all the free radicals produced by the increased oxygen delivered to your heart so that no damage is done.
6. Magnesium/Calcium/Zinc 1000mg magnesium/2000mg calcium. 45mg Zinc

everyone out there, i have read all of this, digested it for you, and in marked similarity to my gastrointestinal tract, the end result is a pile of shit. skip this drivel. i just saved you all 10 seconds of your lives. you can thank me later.

Again......you have just proved just how inept you are in the science of supplementation.

Diet:

Preferably isometric(33/33/33) or zone(30/30/40) or 40/40/20 due to the fact that keeping insulin and blood glucose levels stable is paramount for tissue repair.

oh Jesus here we go about blood glucose again. fonz, youre a dickhead. first of all the guy need thinner heart walls, not thicker ones, and so repair is not a concern. furthermore the proportions of nutrients in the diet wont really affect glucose levels, they will affect nitrogen balance, ketosis etc. what will ultimately determine glucose levels is meal spacing, timing, and of course, total calories.

LOl.......best response yet. You are so dense its incredible. STABLE blood glucose levels in the 80-120 range will keep you in a much more healthier state than BG levels in the 160 range or 40 range. I have MUCH, MUCH more experience than you will ever have in Blood glucose levels and their effects on the human physiological system. MUCH more. (Fonz 9 GD 0)

Thats about it. If you have any other questions.....just ask.

ill be saving this post, fuckface, and will repost it endlessly if you try to delete it, like you did my other one.

Please do, I just obliterated your points. Don't mess with engineers, specially ones with various degrees. And you the lowly pharmacologist trying to appear intelligent...and failing miserably. What a shame. You were doing so well too. Beating your chest and howling like a gorilla trying to make your points....lol

 

[75th]

Inbetween the various insults there is a lot of good intel that galaxy should read. Seriously, if any of the powers that be feel like deleting this post, just edit out the insults and keep the info posted here.

 

[Spartacus]

Buckaroo Banzai!

 

[Mike P.T.]

No need to argue amongst each other. Fonz is trying to help as I'm sure everyone else is. Is Fonz a doctor? No, but we all know that not all doctors are right about everything. Especially when it comes to anything related to anabolic steroids most don't know what they are talking about or just hide the truth. Fonz writes through experience which in this game is very important. The advice he was giving wasn't bad. He doesn't have the exact answer of course not but even doctors don't always have the right answer. The point is everyone is just trying to help. No I don't agree that he shouldn't work out but maybe not as intensely. Maybe Fonz was just trying to have him see that there is more to life than just weights and steroids. I do believe too that supplements can help(That's obvious and the ones he listed are pretty good. They aren't miracles though but no supplement is.) and although he would be spending more money they are helpful so why not if your life and health is a concern. Even if it helped just a little bit wouldn't it be worth it. I understand golden what you are saying and believe me your post is written and makes alot of sense in alot of aspects but don't forget to give credit where it's due as well. We're all just trying to help aren't we? That's why we are here. We all don't have exact answers but through anecdotal evidence and science combined we can have a better understanding of everything. You don't have to go to a University for that. Again we're all here to help each other out.

 

[monkey arms]

Wow!

 

[psychedout]

No need to argue amongst each other. Fonz is trying to help as I'm sure everyone else is. Is Fonz a doctor? No, but we all know that not all doctors are right about everything. Especially when it comes to anything related to anabolic steroids most don't know what they are talking about or just hide the truth. Fonz writes through experience which in this game is very important. The advice he was giving wasn't bad. He doesn't have the exact answer of course not but even doctors don't always have the right answer. The point is everyone is just trying to help. No I don't agree that he shouldn't work out but maybe not as intensely. Maybe Fonz was just trying to have him see that there is more to life than just weights and steroids. I do believe too that supplements can help(That's obvious and the ones he listed are pretty good. They aren't miracles though but no supplement is.) and although he would be spending more money they are helpful so why not if your life and health is a concern. Even if it helped just a little bit wouldn't it be worth it. I understand golden what you are saying and believe me your post is written and makes alot of sense in alot of aspects but don't forget to give credit where it's due as well. We're all just trying to help aren't we? That's why we are here. We all don't have exact answers but through anecdotal evidence and science combined we can have a better understanding of everything. You don't have to go to a University for that. Again we're all here to help each other out.

 

[galaxy]

Laughter is the best cure!LOL................Seriously, took everyones advice into consideration. I will do the supplements, as it cant hurt. I will ease up for a couple months on the sauce. I will continue to lift. I'll see where my bp and lipids are in a couple months and request another echo($1200 each, thank god for ins). Checked out my dimensions, they are all normal, my posterior wall thickness is at the high end though being 1.4 and normal is 1.1-1.4. My dr's main concern I believe is lipids and bp , as the bp is what would cause thickening. As long as everything is back under control in a couple months, I will be still aiming for November. Diet will be key and I really do believe its the root of my problem. Im talking fast food 2 or 3 times a day! I know I suck! ...........................Anyway , been a very educational past couple of days!...................................On another note, sadly probably most pros and amateurs use bp meds during cycles.

 

[Mike P.T.]

mike mate, thats fair enough, but if you had read the original posts (before that microbe deleted them) you would see that fonz just wants his opinion taken as gospel, and thats it. he doesnt give a shit about anyone, because if he did, he wouldnt delete useful posts by people who are qualified to help.

besides, any person trained in a medical field will see immediately that following fonz's advice is not at all advantageous to the patient. it is hard to read, poorly thought out, and grounded in warm bullshit. i say this without ego.

cheers

Ahhh I didn't see that post. Either way I know Fonz has always been helpful and even to my eyes now since your fairly new I see you are well educated here as well. Stick around, the both of you, and stop fighting!

BTW another thing - even though I don't agree with the anabolic steroid use during this time I know Fonz was just again trying to let him come down softly on it. Definately better than staying on a ton of shit. Telling any serious juicer to come off completely for the most part never works out even if health is their concern so rather than eliminate it completely, reduce it to SAFER levels.

 

[Mavy]

I bet that Nelson Montana would ABSOLUTELY LOVE to read this thread!

 

[Optimus B]

Laughter is the best cure!LOL................Seriously, took everyones advice into consideration. I will do the supplements, as it cant hurt. I will ease up for a couple months on the sauce. I will continue to lift. I'll see where my bp and lipids are in a couple months and request another echo($1200 each, thank god for ins). Checked out my dimensions, they are all normal, my posterior wall thickness is at the high end though being 1.4 and normal is 1.1-1.4. My dr's main concern I believe is lipids and bp , as the bp is what would cause thickening. As long as everything is back under control in a couple months, I will be still aiming for November. Diet will be key and I really do believe its the root of my problem. Im talking fast food 2 or 3 times a day! I know I suck! ...........................Anyway , been a very educational past couple of days!...................................On another note, sadly probably most pros and amateurs use bp meds during cycles.

you eat fast food 2-3x/day and you still look like that???? lol, that's awesome.

i hope things work out for you bro, take care of yourself and get better

 

[samoth]

GoldenDelicious, you are a professional -- please act accordingly. You do not prove any point of view, whether fact or fiction, by using insults and flames.

I have a lot of respect for you and your knowledge (as well as Fonz), but this post makes you look like so many other past posters here whom became so worked up in the flaming and personal insults that they lost any credibility they ever had.

Also, much like those other past posters, you are not going to be around here long with this current attitude, as (all of) the mods here will only take so much digression into personal arguments that originated from legitimate subjects.

Why the insults? What do they prove? How do they help your point of view or argument? How do they make you look in the public eye?

 

[Fonz]

insults? what insults?

People from Darwin, Australia should be shot for the good of the species.

Fonz

 

[bicepts101]

GoldenDelicious, you are a professional -- please act accordingly. You do not prove any point of view, whether fact or fiction, by using insults and flames.

I have a lot of respect for you and your knowledge (as well as Fonz), but this post makes you look like so many other past posters here whom became so worked up in the flaming and personal insults that they lost any credibility they ever had.

Also, much like those other past posters, you are not going to be around here long with this current attitude, as (all of) the mods here will only take so much digression into personal arguments that originated from legitimate subjects.

Why the insults? What do they prove? How do they help your point of view or argument? How do they make you look in the public eye?

ok, ill sift you the point of his post.

GD made a post in another thread, which included no insults. it was deleted...apparently for no reason.

...hense this thread was posted in response to the one that was deleted.

i would have done the same thing....but im sure you would have sat back with your head between your legs right?

im not approving of any insults made...but lets get real here peace makers, this shit happens....and in some ways it makes this board reading when the same threads keep poping up

 

[thelegacy again]

Sorry I can't restore the original post but I can clear away the junk that was put in its place.

-- digger