Fonz, can you explain something about Cytomel?

[koen]

You said in a post that 25 mcg of cytomel won´t interfere with your thyroid function. How is that? Doesn´t work the same as for example testosterone? Your body notices how much testosterone the blood contains, if you supply your body with testosterone, the amount of testosterone you take?
So if you take 25 mcg cytomel a day, won´t your thyroid produce, the equivalent of 25 mcg cytomel, less T3? And therefore affecting your thyroid negatively?

Hope you can clear this up for me.

 

[NJbigtime]

BUMP

 

[Fonz]

Well, not really.

TSH stimulates the thyroid to produce T3 and T4.
(Most of the active T3 in the body is converted from
T4)

By adding exogeneous T3, you will be decreasing the
amount of TSH you have(TSH=thyroid stimulating
hormone). The decrease in TSH is rather small and
does not suppress the thyroid, if the dose is kept
at under 25mcgs or less.
What most people don't know is that steroids decrease
active T3 levels within the body. And hence 25mcgs of T3
will render them more effective by increasing
protein synthesis. It has been estimated that by
adding 25mcgs T3/day during the whole lengh of your cycle,
you will increase your muscle gains by 10% all things
being equal.
Any dosage over 25mcgs will suppress TSH levels TOO
MUCH leading to thyroid suppression.
Stemming from this, the importance of cycling T3
off is PARAMOUNT. You have to let your TSH
slowly up-regulate so that when you come off T3
you have enough TSH to stimulate the production
of normal levels of T3 and T4. If you don't cycle
T3 off slowly, TSH levels will be too low and you will
experience hypothyroid symptoms for 6-8 weeks.
(i.e.Time it takes the TSH to up-regulate.)

Hope that helped...

Godspeed

 

[Stew Meat]

Fonz, I'm totally not disagreeing with you here. But where did you hear that? I've never seen any studies where subjects were given T3 and anabolic steroids. How do you know this? Can you provide any support for this or is this just Fonz knowlege that no one else has
Because if you can't back this up, then you are screwing people out of their muscle gains while on a cycle just to try and sound intelligent.... T3 is VERY catabolic. One of the ways that steroids increase muscle mass is that they supress TSH. THs increase the body's demand for energy. This demand is met by cortisol release which breaks down skeletal muscle into amino acids which are then metabolised and converted to glucose. Another way the demands of TSH are met is by the burning of protein in the diet for energy and leaving much less to be assimilated into skeletal muscle.

I hope that you can prove me wrong becaue otherwise, you are one sorry piece of shit trying to (again) make yourself sound intelligent while contradicting the standards and purpose of this board and screwing people out of their gains for your benefit.



-Stew

 

[Stew Meat]

Koen, to answer your question, yes, 25mcg of Cytomel will supress thyroid function. Your thyroid levels have a baseline. If you introduce exogenous thyroid hormone into the body, the thyroid will supress its own production so that the baseline will be met. For instance, lets say that your body normally has 30mcg of T3 present at any given time (baseline). If you take a 25mcg Cytomel tab, the thyroid will supress its production to only 5mcg of T3. If you do not go past your body's baseline with your Cytomel (T3) dossage, you will not experience any effect outside of a normal metabolism. However, if you go above your baseline with exogenous thyroid hormone, your own thyroid will supress its production as it sees no need for it (the tyroid function has a feedback loop the same as androgen feedback loops in the hypothalamus). After you go above your baseline, you will start to reap benefits of exaggerated T3 levels. But make sure you are using AS while increasing T3 levels as T3 will eat your muscle due to its energy demands -catabolism.




-Stew

 

[Fonz]

Koen, to answer your question, yes, 25mcg of Cytomel will supress thyroid function. Your thyroid levels have a baseline. If you introduce exogenous thyroid hormone into the body, the thyroid will supress its own production so that the baseline will be met. For instance, lets say that your body normally has 30mcg of T3 present at any given time (baseline). If you take a 25mcg Cytomel tab, the thyroid will supress its production to only 5mcg of T3. If you do not go past your body's baseline with your Cytomel (T3) dossage, you will not experience any effect outside of a normal metabolism. However, if you go above your baseline with exogenous thyroid hormone, your own thyroid will supress its production as it sees no need for it (the tyroid function has a feedback loop the same as androgen feedback loops in the hypothalamus). After you go above your baseline, you will start to reap benefits of exaggerated T3 levels. But make sure you are using AS while increasing T3 levels as T3 will eat your muscle due to its energy demands -catabolism.




-Stew

You are one lucky SOB that I'm using WebTv right
now, and can't copy/paste because i would
put you to shame.
T3 is catabolic? Agreed. It DOES work through
PROTEOLYTIC pathways.

25mcgs T3/day Catabolic???? Maybe not.

Look at the studies in Medline done on patients
with T3, and look at the dose response curve
for T3/TSH.
It looks at the TSH levels for 25,50,75, and 100
mcgs of T3.
25mcgs of T3 only inhibited TSH to a very small
degree. 50,75, and 100 did not. They suppressed
it.
T3 increases the METABOLISM OF PROTEINS.
If T3(25mcgs/day)+steroids are taken per
day a synergistic effect occurs.
While steroids primarily decrease protein break-down
T3 increases protein turnover.

I'll agree that if you don't consume enough protein
T3 is CATABOLIC(at 25mcgs/day), but if you consume
1-2g protein/lb of bodyweight you will synthesize
MORE PROTEIN from your food, and the steroids
will decrease the amount of protein being
broken down by the T3.

The conundrum here is: The amount of protein synthesized
by the T3 has to be bigger than the amount of protein
broken down by the T3. Having said that, with the addition
of steroids, my hypothesis just happens to become
true because the steroids will seriously blunt
T3's catabolic effects WHILE NO AFFECTING
T3's PROTEIN TURNOVER ENHANCING
EFFECTS!!!!!!

Result: INCREASED MUSCLE GROWTH.

Stew, you have to THINK once in a while and
not just think everything is set in stone.
I thought you did research?

And FYI: Stop being such a hard-ass.

Godspeed

 

[curling]

Now I am confused I hate this metric system

I thought you were suppose to go up to 4 pills a day which would be 100mcg would it not? The pills I have say 25mcg.

 

[Stew Meat]

Fonz.... I am a hard ass on you because you are full of shit. Your only rebuttle is to say exactly the same thing that I said then say "you have to think once in a while."

If you "thought" you may have thought about the fact that there are those on this board who are not newbies and are not impressed with the words that you use and can see straight through you. You are the only person on this whole board that I don't like. The reason is posts like this shit. Maybe you people who are in the airplane business should share some of your biopharmaendocrina logical research with the rest of us.




-Stew

 

[Fonz]

Re: Now I am confused I hate this metric system

I thought you were suppose to go up to 4 pills a day which would be 100mcg would it not? The pills I have say 25mcg.

Yes, 100mcgs.

Having said that. I'm not a big fan of T3-cutting cycles
with low-calories.
T3-cycles should be used with at least maintenance
calories to curb any potential muscle-loss.
T3-cycles using low calories are HORRENDOUSLY
catabolic when dosages reach 75-100mcgs/day
and the amount of protein you'd have to eat would
be HUGE. Not to mention you'd have to take
massive amounts of androgens to curb
catabolism.
But thats another entirely different topic.

Godspeed

 

[BoomBoom]

Sounds like it could in fact hold water stew but I am still intrested in what you have to say in response to this. Anyway good research fonz.

 

[Stew Meat]

Newbies need to realize that just becasue someone has a lot of posts that they don't need to listen to them for AS advice.

Typical Fonz post:


Fonz: "25mcg of T3 will not supress the thyroid. It is anabolic."

Stew: "Fonz, you dumbass, yes it will. T3 will eat up your muscle and will supress TSH at any dossage."

Fonz: "Stew, you are so dumb, T3 will supress TSH. If you would think, you would realize that."



Ok, Fonz. Why didn't I "think" of that.





-Stew

 

[anabolic24/7]

It's gettin warm in here.

 

[Stew Meat]

Sounds like it could in fact hold water stew but I am still intrested in what you have to say in response to this. Anyway good research fonz.

Fonz did not research this. He is talking out of his ass. He likes to do this. Its the same principle as trying to make his paragraphs have narrow margins so it looks like he is typing longer posts...


-Stew

 

[Fonz]

Fonz.... I am a hard ass on you because you are full of shit. Your only rebuttle is to say exactly the same thing that I said then say "you have to think once in a while."

If you "thought" you may have thought about the fact that there are those on this board who are not newbies and are not impressed with the words that you use and can see straight through you. You are the only person on this whole board that I don't like. The reason is posts like this shit. Maybe you people who are in the airplane business should share some of your biopharmaendocrina logical research with the rest of us.




-Stew

I'm not in the airplane business, I'm in the space-propulsion
system business. Just correcting you.
As a thought, you seem to be awfully close-minded
for a researcher.

Godspeed

 

[Lift Or Die]

Come on guys, relax.

Stew, can you check your pm when you get a chance please.

 

[Stew Meat]

Yea.. I'll check it in a sec.


Fonz researchers are close minded as they have since to know that talking out of your ass can lead to getting someon hurt or have you wind up looking stupid when someone else calls you out. If you don't have proof, you don't say it is a fact.

For instance, I'm not going to come no this board and say "don't use insulin while on oil based injectables because it will cause the oil to be shuttled into adipose instead of a higher percentage being burned as energy thus making you fat as hell" but I did present the theroy and looked at what people are saying.

Researchers don't talk out of their ass. And as a result are not close minded. However, they do keep an eye out.



-Stew

 

[Fonz]

Fine Stew, you want to play?

Typical Stew Meat post:

Stew Meat: Its right.

Newbie: Why?

Stew Meat: Because I said so!!!!!!!

Again: Re-posts a shit-load of old
data that people have already posted.
Example: The ALA thread, WHICH HE
DIDN'T BOTHER TO EXPLAIN.
I had to do it, and he proceeded to call me
an idiot. Then Cockedzl posted some studies
which TOTALLY contradicted him and
he just went away......

Stew, I'll stop if you stop. We're both professionals
so lets just leave it at heated intellectual
discussions. There is no NEED to get
personal.

I think you know I would never give advice out
that would potentially be detrimental to
somebody.

This is just getting us nowhere.

Godspeed

 

[Stew Meat]

Fine Stew, you want to play?

Typical Stew Meat post:

Stew Meat: Its right.

Newbie: Why?

Stew Meat: Because I said so!!!!!!!

No, Fonz, that is exactly what you did in the above posts. you talk out of your ass and give harmful advice that you can not back up.

Again: Re-posts a shit-load of old
data that people have already posted.

Old posts sometimes need to be "bumpped" or reposted when they have good info that newbies, or others who have not seen the post, would benefit from.

Example: The ALA thread, WHICH HE
DIDN'T BOTHER TO EXPLAIN.
I had to do it, and he proceeded to call me
an idiot. Then Cockedzl posted some studies
which TOTALLY contradicted him and
he just went away......

You were the one who was contradicted by almost everything that you said. I was merely posting eveidence that showed that ALA is a potentially viable supplement to the bodybuilding community. Cockdezl did not contra dict me. And you provided one helpful tidbit. The rest was ambigious jargon that didn't even have anything to do with what was beign discussed. You kept saying that glut-4 was the biggest transporter of insulin. We were discussing how ALA increases glucose uptake in muscles by 65% which has nothign to do with insulin. And I assure you I didn't "walk away" from the post. you had been proven wrong and there was not much else to say about it.

Stew, I'll stop if you stop. We're both professionals
so lets just leave it at heated intellectual
discussions. There is no NEED to get
personal.

I do not consider you a "professional." You do provide some good advice at times, but you are full of shit 50% of the time. You don't research what you are saying and advise at the expense of others.

I think you know I would never give advice out
that would potentially be detrimental to
somebody. [

Then what the hell was your post all about. "T3 can increase muscle gains by 10%"

This is just getting us nowhere.

I agree.



-Stew



















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[KjbAlto]

Stop it!

Both of you, look at how babyish this thread is getting. I think you both got your points across. Now let's call it a treuce.

 

[Twisted_Steel]

Real world application: I have never once heard nor witnessed in practice anyone advocating the use of t3 in conjunction with anabolic androgenic steroids as a measure of potentating anabolism. Then again

I guess I should be participating more or just pay more attention to the posts around here. Finally someone else realizes how full of shit FONZ truely is. Stew, I honestly thought I was the only one who could actually see through this youngin's inflated transparent bullshit.

 

[lawnsaver]

After an extended peroid on t3, will guglebolic from syntract help stimulate tsh again. I have been on 50mcg for 6 weeks and will be stopping in 2 more. Will this help or not?

I have been on insulin for 2 weeks with the t3 and still put on a little fat. My diet during active time has been extremely stick.

 

[68GT350]

Jeez, guys...Be nice. There's no reason to fight. No one should really take anyone's advice, totally at face value. You both seem to really know your stuff. Please--debate, don't fight!!!

 

[SwitchedOn]

Can't we all just get along?

 

[Fonz]

Real world application: I have never once heard nor witnessed in practice anyone advocating the use of t3 in conjunction with anabolic androgenic steroids as a measure of potentating anabolism. Then again

I guess I should be participating more or just pay more attention to the posts around here. Finally someone else realizes how full of shit FONZ truely is. Stew, I honestly thought I was the only one who could actually see through this youngin's inflated transparent bullshit.

WOW!!! Micro-brain comes out of the woodwork. Haha...

TS, you make me laugh.

After the 17-aa thread you wrote at AF I think you
should consider retiring.

If you had even the inkling of an original thought
it woud be grounds for a national holiday.

At least Stew has some original ideas, you? Not a chance.
Well........maybe if hell freezes over!!! LOL

Now go crawl back under the rock you came from.


Godspeed


FYI: In case you're wondering people I don't
particularly like TS. Stew? Sometimes
he can be a nice guy which is good.

Now, I have to go back to studying.

Godspeed

 

[Stew Meat]

When have I been nice to you? Let me go back and delete that


-Stew

 

[Twisted_Steel]

Actually, I have no reason at all to dislike you, Fonz. However, I do sometimes enjoy fucking with you. You seem easily aggitated. No doubt attributed to one raging napolionic complex. But, thats ok nothing a little studying can't fix.

PEACE