Flip Flopping on my PCT

[the small soldier]

I'm reaching my fat loss goals little by little and I am on schedule to start my cycle by may/june. Only problem is I want to keep my PCT to a minimum. The more drugs in one's system, the more side effects and interactions. I'm thinking of running HCGenerate or at least the active ingredient as an herbal supp starting week 2. In conjunction I'll run adex .25 a day. I'm taking test E so i'll run the Adex at .25 for 2 weeks after my last injection. by that time if my test is still suppressed my estro should hopefully still stay low and within ratio of my test thanks to the Adex. I'd continue to run the HCGenerate, and just take lots of vitamins, zinc, good diet and rest and I think my body should be able to handle the rest on it's own.

any thoughts?

 

[needtogetaas]

If you have not read my friend give this a read.. Everything you need to know http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/a...e-support-drug-steroid-user-bible-778853.html

 

[the small soldier]

If you have not read my friend give this a read.. Everything you need to know http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/a...e-support-drug-steroid-user-bible-778853.html

I have read thank you. My goal is to use the minimal amount of products.

 

[Youngncurious]

My man you need to throw some post and unleashed combo in there. Also add forma would be beneficial. You should of ran hcgenerate throughout your cycle...less is not always good bro especially for pct. pct is the most important part of a cycle

 

[dylangemelli]

Yes pct is the most important part and "lots of vitamins" and such will not cover... An extensive pct is so important for proper recovery and to solidify gains... You neef to rethink your strategy here

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[the small soldier]

Yes pct is the most important part and "lots of vitamins" and such will not cover... An extensive pct is so important for proper recovery and to solidify gains... You neef to rethink your strategy here

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I hear what you guys are saying, but have either of you ever tried going with a minimalist approach? I would also like to see/hear of some options that don't include products endorsed on this site. It seems like a conflict of interest to endorse products on a site meant to for a free exchange of ideas. N2BM products might really be all that, but I'd like have some more options at my disposal.

 

[dylangemelli]

I hear what you guys are saying, but have either of you ever tried going with a minimalist approach? I would also like to see/hear of some options that don't include products endorsed on this site. It seems like a conflict of interest to endorse products on a site meant to for a free exchange of ideas. N2BM products might really be all that, but I'd like have some more options at my disposal.

its your body... if you want to run a minimalist approach then go for it but don't say that you weren't warned... i am just trying to help but thats up to you...

 

[the small soldier]

its your body... if you want to run a minimalist approach then go for it but don't say that you weren't warned... i am just trying to help but thats up to you...

I appreciate your help, don't think that I do not. I'm just trying to get a multi-faceted view. You have any before and after blood work with or without various products. I might just make myself a test dummy and do the same cycle once with a minimal PCT, take about 12 weeks off and run again with a bunch N2BM products? I'd take pics and post lab results.

 

[Muscle2890]

Taking to many pct will slow down growth you have to have some estrogen in you body to get good muscle growth.

 

[the small soldier]

Forged pct looks promising because of 3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran extracted from stinging nettle. I read a few journals that indicate it MIGHT raise free test, though it def does bind to SHBG. HCGenerate looks promising because of the fadogia which has a number of animal studies indicating it does stimulate the leydig cells..as far as the other ingredients in these products the jury seems to be out. as for tribulus, a number of studies have proven this to be useless in doing anything for testosterone or strength gains. fenugreek has not shown to be any more effective than milk thistle (which seems cheaper from most sources) for support liver function. I think I'm going to create capsules of Fadgoia, milk thistle, 3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran mix myself and save a ton of $$. going to run fadogia and milk thistle through cycle with Adex and use all3 the plus adex for the first 2 weeks after my last shot of test. I'll continue to run all the fadogia, milk thistle, and 3,4 divanillyltetrahydrofuran until my test starts to rise on the blood work then I'll taper them off.

 

[dylangemelli]

Forged pct looks promising because of 3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran extracted from stinging nettle. I read a few journals that indicate it MIGHT raise free test, though it def does bind to SHBG. HCGenerate looks promising because of the fadogia which has a number of animal studies indicating it does stimulate the leydig cells..as far as the other ingredients in these products the jury seems to be out. as for tribulus, a number of studies have proven this to be useless in doing anything for testosterone or strength gains. fenugreek has not shown to be any more effective than milk thistle (which seems cheaper from most sources) for support liver function. I think I'm going to create capsules of Fadgoia, milk thistle, 3,4-divanillyltetrahydrofuran mix myself and save a ton of $$. going to run fadogia and milk thistle through cycle with Adex and use all3 the plus adex for the first 2 weeks after my last shot of test. I'll continue to run all the fadogia, milk thistle, and 3,4 divanillyltetrahydrofuran until my test starts to rise on the blood work then I'll taper them off.

unleashed is the only otc that will raise free test... i have never and will never do a minimalist approach to pct because i am not willing to risk doing any harm to myself... so i cannot say that i have... i can see that you have done a lot of research and i respect that.. i just don't agree with a small pct but if it works for you, by all means go for it...

 

[the small soldier]

unleashed is the only otc that will raise free test... i have never and will never do a minimalist approach to pct because i am not willing to risk doing any harm to myself... so i cannot say that i have... i can see that you have done a lot of research and i respect that.. i just don't agree with a small pct but if it works for you, by all means go for it...

I mean, there is no sure fire way to know other than to try. If it wasn't for taking chances we'd still be taking trains and boats around the world.
#Orville and Wilbur right

 

[Seattleborn206]

Pct is the most important part of a cycle. If you don't do anything and everything to bring you hormones back to baseline asap you will suffer from loss of gains and libido and lots of other things.

 

[the small soldier]

Pct is the most important part of a cycle. If you don't do anything and everything to bring you hormones back to baseline asap you will suffer from loss of gains and libido and lots of other things.

well I will be doing PCT. I'm just trying to keep the drugs to the absolute minimum.

 

[Typo]

I hear what you guys are saying, but have either of you ever tried going with a minimalist approach? I would also like to see/hear of some options that don't include products endorsed on this site. It seems like a conflict of interest to endorse products on a site meant to for a free exchange of ideas. N2BM products might really be all that, but I'd like have some more options at my disposal.

I recovered off a 10 week 500mg test e cycle with just nolva 40/40/20/20. Blood tests to prove it, kept about 80% of my gains.
I don't know much about the science but lab results don't lie.
Maybe I would of recovered fine with nothing...

 

[the small soldier]

I recovered off a 10 week 500mg test e cycle with just nolva 40/40/20/20. Blood tests to prove it, kept about 80% of my gains.
I don't know much about the science but lab results don't lie.
Maybe I would of recovered fine with nothing...

that's the kind of info I'm looking for! my first PCT was clomid 100 nolva 20 tapered for 4 weeks and I did some HCG with it. I recovered fine and kept all my gains, I actually kept growing and getting stronger after PCT. I did get bad mood swings and odd side effects though which is why I want to avoid drugs.