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currently 165 gained 25pounds real quick from junk food and stuff when i came off cutting diet,i need to get back their and loose the gut again

meal 1 -1/2 oats,5eggwhites
meal 2 -turkey sandwich
meal 3 -same as meal 2 (both are in school)
its those deli turkey slices,are they good for cutting?

meal 4(Postworkout)creatine and protein shake
Meal 5 2 Chicken Breast ,1/2oats
Meal6(before bed)some kid of protein ,1/2oats

also along the day i trow in some protein shakes
 
bro, I think the diet looks good off hand
but you need to put all the oats and carbs in the morning + before 3 o'clock have all the carbs
this way your body will burn more fat more efficiently
+ you need to add 2-3 tbsp flaxseed oil, and 1-2 tbsp ALL NATURAL peanut butter a day
this does wonders for your fat loss
P.S. deli meat is not the best, but if it's what you can get, then it's fine.... it's really high in sodium so drink a lot of water
My 2cents
Mr.X:D
 
i did something like that,cut all the carbs before 3pm and i felt like total shit..will i still be able to loose the gut and weight even with the carbs of my diet all 6meals
 
Yes you can. It would be faster to cut evening carbs but yes. You may want to add some EFAs also. I think you should at lest cut the 6th meals serving of oatmeal. You want feel like shit in your sleep.
 
Cackerot69 said:
Eating 1/2 cup of oats before bed is a GOOD thing.

Eat your pre bedtime oats.
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Not! Those carbs will convert to fat while sleeping!
Go with what Rockaho and Mr. X had to say and if you can, try doing cardio in the morning on an empty stomach if your time allows.
 
Why do you think those carbs will convert to fat while sleeping?

This is a huge misconception.

While sleeping, your body is repairing damaged tissue, and doing a number of other tasks, all of which take energy.

People assume that since you are inactive during sleep, that carbs will be stored as fat, becuase there is no way to burn them off.

Now, what would be the difference in taking protein, and/or fat?

All 3 macronutrients are energy, protein can be converted to glucose, which is the same thing as carbs, would that mean you shouldn't eat protein before bed?

The bottom line in dieting is Calories consumed -vs- Calories burned.

Now, about cardio...

DO NOT perform your cardio in the morning on an empty stomach, all this will do is prolong catabolism, and increase it. Especially if you do not eat carbs before bed.

You guys are doing the worst possible things when dieting.
 
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Cackerot69, I have no argument against your explanation on carbs before bed, I would however like to know where (on the net) that I can go and read about this. My main reason for coming here is to learn, If someone has a diffrent opinion than that of myself, I am willing to listen to that person with an open mind so that I may benifit from him.
 
mindgame, don't get confused, there is two diffrent schools of thought on the carb intake subject. I have always heard/thought you shouldn't eat carbs before bed. Cackerot69 disagrees with this. I'm trying to figure out why he disagrees and which theory is correct. If i'm wrong I want to know.
 
Bear witth me here and the baadd spelling im oon weebbtv in a hottel andd tthe keyboarrd sux.

I WOULDnt keep thosee oattss.
YOU WOnt feeel like shit, youll get useed to itt aafter thee 3rd daay usually. Add an eca sttack to youur diett it will work greeat for yourr lack of eenerrgy.

Whateverr you do, eat 500 caals below yourr maainttenancee caals. You can ddo this by finddinng yourr AMR.
AMR-500 calls iss whaat youu should bee eaating. 2.6-2g prroteein/lb bodyweeight. im not too suure youure gettting tthat much withh thosee delii meeatts.
TTry cottaagge cheesse (loww fat) orr supplement some wheey.
Aree you even liffting weighhtss.?
Bro, you need tto postt WAY more info.

Do your cardioo firrst thiing inn the morning. youu wontt lose musccle if you keep youur dieett correct. thatts bull.
cardioo first thiinng is 10x moree efficient id saayy....wow it iis muchh beetterr. test iit youurself and comparee.
im getttingg sickk ooff thiis keyboard.
good lluck hoped i helped
 
blood_drinker said:
Bear witth me here and the baadd spelling im oon weebbtv in a hottel andd tthe keyboarrd sux.

I WOULDnt keep thosee oattss.
YOU WOnt feeel like shit, youll get useed to itt aafter thee 3rd daay usually. Add an eca sttack to youur diett it will work greeat for yourr lack of eenerrgy.

Whateverr you do, eat 500 caals below yourr maainttenancee caals. You can ddo this by finddinng yourr AMR.
AMR-500 calls iss whaat youu should bee eaating. 2.6-2g prroteein/lb bodyweeight. im not too suure youure gettting tthat much withh thosee delii meeatts.
TTry cottaagge cheesse (loww fat) orr supplement some wheey.
Aree you even liffting weighhtss.?
Bro, you need tto postt WAY more info.

Do your cardioo firrst thiing inn the morning. youu wontt lose musccle if you keep youur dieett correct. thatts bull.
cardioo first thiinng is 10x moree efficient id saayy....wow it iis muchh beetterr. test iit youurself and comparee.
im getttingg sickk ooff thiis keyboard.
good lluck hoped i helped
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AMR???
 
Ok in a nut shell . . . .

Quote by MR. BMJ from the "When Does 30 + 30 NOT = 60" thread on the Womens Discussion Board: It comes down to how much glycogen you have to burn up before getting into that fat burning zone of stored fatty acids. The lower the levels of glycogen, the quicker you will get into the fat burning zone. This is why morning cardio is so effective because glycogen levels have been deplenished by the over-night fast from eating. Thus, it will vary, but 60 minutes is a good mark to set for anyone who is not in ketosis. A person in ketosis will not have to go nearly as long (thought i'd throw that in there).

Here's a tip that MS has given in the past. If you want to quicken your descent into the fat burning zone, try supplementing with ALA at night before bed and also before doing your cardio in the morning. The ALA will help deplete the glycogen within the muscle (hence, a glucose disposal agent) and get you into the fat burning zone faster. Trust me it works. Take it in the morning with your thermogenic stack (E/C/Y).

Also, to help use glycogen stores quicker, research has pointed out that high intensity intervals sessions are somewhat more effective than constant aerobic cardio sessions. Then it seems that once you are in the fat burning zone, the constant aerobic session is more effective. Don't know if that made sense but oh well.
MR. BMJ

Quote by WarLobo who created "When Does 30+30NOT=60": But one of the bigest reasons is, when you limit calories the FIRST thing that the body wants to gets rid of is the expensive MUSCLE. When you do the cardio, you FORCE the body to break down FAT because you need the enegy NOW. Then, after a your done, you feed the body and (try to) preserve the muscle.

As I have said on other threads I am not an expert on nutrition and do not claim to be I am learning just like you and I am not claiming that Cackerot69 is right nor wrong. What I am saying is do all the research you can do and find the "common ground" or "consensus" of what everyone is saying cause we are all confused when starting out (although I have been lifting on and off since 9 yrs. old) however, the majority of all the research on diet schedules that I have done (of Pro's and Amatuers) they have indicated that carbs are not good at night, and most of your carb intake should be taken in earlier in the day after cardio on an empty stomach to burn fat insted of muscle (see examples above) and that later in the evening should be geared toward mostly protein intake with many (not necessarily everyone) taking a non-caloric protein shake 1 to 2 hours before bed. I am using this whole diet approach and it is working for me, may not work for everyone but this seems to be the "consensus" among the majority. Remember to do your own research and experiment / trial and error , find the "common ground" with what works and what does not, research this board as well as other sites, books, etc.. this is how everyone has had to learn. Good Luck! Hope this helps!
 
Damn there's a lot of coon-asses on this board(yes including me) how yall are!
 
heres what I've learned so far from reading this board.

i've learned from reading this board for a while, that carbs at night would not be a bad thing, and here's the reasoning.

You grow when you sleep. Your metabolism is slowing down, yes, but it does not stop, and it's a fact your body does most of its growing when you're sleeping. Now if that's the case, why in the world would you NOT eat before bedtime when you're body is going to be needing all these calories? What would your body use as fuel during this time of major body repair/growth if you didn't eat anything? If you ate a small meal of pure protein, what I gather is that instead of the protein being used to go to the muscles and repair any damaged tissue and make the muscles grow, it's just going to be used as general fuel to keep the metabolism going, the way i see it is that the glycogen from carbs being broken down are used as fuel to essentialy get the protein to the muscle where it should go. this is why i see not eating a small balanced meal before bedtime a bad idea.

I also learned that you don't want to eat before cardio in the morning as stated above in these threads.

Now can someone explain to me if I'm wrong, and if so, why?
 
OK, first of all that whole "fat burning zone" has nothing to do with having food in your stomach. I know the theory (that's all it is, a theory), since there is no glycogen for the body to use as energy, it will go straight to fat stores. Now think about this, which is a more efficient immediate energy source, fat (9 cals per gram), or protein (4 cals per gram)? If you are doing cardio in the morning on an empty stomach, your body needs immediate energy, it can burn muscle for fuel faster than it can burn fat. Now, the body is designed for survival, which do you think it would hold onto in case of starvation, muscle or fat? FAT. Fat will keep you alive longer.

Additonally, there is no proof, and very questionable evidence that this theory has any merit. There is no research on athletes comparing various cardio training times and the relation to fat loss when combined with weight training. There is some research on non athletic, non weight training, obese women and morning cardio, but this has no relation to a weight training athlete.

Doing cardio in the morning on an empty stomach is a guaranteed way to lose muscle. When you wake up in the morning you are entering (or you are already in) a catabolic state. A serious catabolic state. You're losing muscle. Your priority at this time is to supply your muscles a fast acting nitrogen source to halt the catabolism and ignite anabolism - muscle growth. When you wake up you have just endured a 6, 8, or 10 hour fasting. Your muscles have had no nutrients, and no protein over an extended amount of time. The last thing you want to do is enter an intense cardio session under this catabolic condition. Like I said, this is a guaranteed way to lose lean muscle.

This does not mean that doing cardio in the morning is bad, just that doing cardio in the morning on an empty stomach is bad, the worst thing you can do while trying to lose bodyfat and preserve muscle mass.

About carbs before bed time, carbs are an energy source, just like protein and fat. The only time carbs are stored as fat is when glycogen stores are full AND there is no energy requirment not met. Now, during the night you are either living off of glucose, muscle protein, or fat. If you eat only protein and fat before bed, the protein will quickly be converted to glucose (roughly 60% of dietary protein is converted to glucose and used as energy), and have the same effect as carbs. The fat serves pretty much no purpose other than slowing the absorbtion of food, keeping you out of catabolism for longer period. So, eat a good portion of protein (30-50g), enough carbs to saturated glycogen stores (30-50g)m and enough fat to keep food absorbtion relatively slow (10-15g), and you have yourself a perfect pre-bed time meal.
 
Cack', Here's my theory, if you eat a pre bedtime balanced meal, and your body during this time is in a slowed state of metabolism, then your cortisol levels shouldn't be high at all when you wake up. That's just the way i see it. i should do a google search to see if theres any research anywhere.
 
Ok here's a link or 2 i found you might want to read.

http://www.muscle101.com/cardio.html

http://www.leehayward.com/art17.htm

http://www.femalemuscle.com/nutrition/morningaerobics.html

granted I couldn't find any sort of pure scientific research papers.

i tried doing a search for why i shouldn't do it first thing in the morning, and all I found was one page telling me not to do it, because it would tear your muscles down and you should take their product first thing in the morning instead (yeah it was a product site)

i agree that cortisol breaks down muscles, there's no doubting that, however, i don't think there's a huuuge amount of it in the morning floating around your system, especially if you eat at night before bedtime. However, I know that it is unavoidable, and am prepared to lose some muscle in trade for burning far more fat. that's just the way i see it.
 
taken from : http://www.affordablesupplements.com/9_29_99_female_fitness.asp

One average method that is used to determine the target heart rate to get into this fat burning zone is calculated by 1) taking 220 - your age. The number you get is your maximum heart rate. If you’re getting anywhere near this number you’re working TOO hard! If a clock isn’t handy, a good way to tell you’re alright is by the “talk test”. If you’re breathing quickly but still have enough air to talk or sing (under your breath is usually recommended if you’re in public) then you’re doing good. If you start feeling dizzy or get a sideache stop and rest or ease it up a bit until you feel better. 2) take your maximum heart rate x .60 and .90 . Your heart rate should fall between these 2 numbers. 3) Take your pulse for 6 seconds and then multiply by 10 to get the number of heartbeats in 1 minute
 
It's really just common sense here.

After approx 10 hours with no food, you will start burning muscle. Now, by prolonging this fast, and adding cardio (which is catabolic in itself), all you are doing is increasing muscle breakdown. Period.

The reason you haven't founf any research stating that it is detrimental to do cardio on an empty stomach in the morning, is becuase...well, nobody has performed it, nobody has performed any research comparing different cardio times in athletes with relation to muscle breakdown. The ONLY research that even suggests this is superior was done on fat women with no experience in any kind of athletics.

Bottom line, don't do cardio in the morning on an empty stomach, and eat your pre-bedtime carbs.
 
i'd agree with Cack here. As logical as the "cardio on an empty stomach first thing" sounds, I wouldn't do it. The first thing I want to do when i wake up is fill the tanks again. i usually do my cardio (well, llimited cardio) in the afternoon, right before meal #4. My metabolism's up and running, glycogen stores are doing okay, my body's nowhere near as severely catabolic as it is in the morning, etc.

There's nothing magical about the "fat burning zone" During exercise, your body gets the energy it needs from wherever it can. Afterwards, it redistributes it as necessary. So what if I'm burning 200 calories of glycogen? That's a 200 calorie deficit for the day, and 200 more calories that the body will need to get from somewhere, eventually. 200 calories of fat, well, big deal. Same deficit. The body compensates for all energy expenditures and intakes. You can't "fool it" into just dropping fat. it's smarter than you. :)
 
belial the whole point of this morning cardio is to hit fat stores. Not glycogen.

it's all about "accelerated" fat loss...

that's the difference between hitting the fat strores and burning the glycogen.

I mean i "know" that it's a prime time to lose muscle, though i have to disagree there will be an extreme amount of cortisol in your system if you eat before you sleep.

But you have to agree it's also the best time for hitting the fat stores. Like I said, I'll trade off some muscle loss for a lot more fat loss.
 
muscle loss vs. fat loss...

wouldn't the latter be much greater and therefore worth it???? very curious over here. :D
 
I doubt anything additonal i say will change your mind, Burning.

Anyway...the body has 3 choices for an energy source in the morning. It can either use:

1. Stored Glycogen.

2. Muscle.

3. Fat Stores.

I put them is that specific order on purpose :). That is the order they will be used as energy. Unless on a keto diet you are not going to completely burn all glycogen, so the first immediate energy source is glycogen. Now, think about why the body burns glycogen BEFORE fat, we all agree on this, correct? It does this becuase glycogen is a quicker/more efficient energy source, quicker to burn, quicker energy. This is the same reason muscle is burned before fat. In the morning your body is basically starving. Remember all that crap about "starvation mode" when dieting? Well, your body is in this stage when you wake up. When starving your body can either:

1. Preserve Muscle Mass and Burn Fat.

2. Burn Muscle and Preserve Fat Mass.

Which is better for survival, Fat which is more than twice as energy dense as protein, or protein? The fat is more energy dense, thus it will keep you alive longer! The body burns Muscle before it burns fat becuase it needs to preserve fat in case of future starvation.

Cardio on an empty stomach = lean muscle mass loss and fat preservation.

The human body sucks sometimes... :)
 
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help. i'm so confused now. so is it possible to get to burn fat stores, at all, during the cardio. so, does this actually mean that the fat burning will occur after the fact?? since bmr is up. this is getting too confusing for me. :bawling: i just want to burn me some fat. that simple. my diet is clean. my discipline is good. my morning cardio on empty... now i learn is not a good choice??? so then what??? :confused:
 
No No No.

Just about everything i said ONLY happends when doing morning cardio on an empty stomach.

This doesn't apply to doing cardio at other times, as your body is not in "starvation mode", and catabolism.
 
Cackerot69

You bring up excellent points about timing of Cardio. I can personally vouch for the fact that morning cardio can have adverse effects if duration between last meal and the cardio session is too long.

I use to eat my last meal at about 7PM, and perform cardio the following morning at 6AM. 11 hours with no food put me in a catabolic state and I ended up dropping weight fast - unfortunately, a good portion of that weight was muscle.

I then switched to performing cardio after my workout in the evening, rather than the following morning. I worked out at 9PM, with my last meal at 7PM. I found that my weight training sessions burned the majority of the the glucose, thus I tapped into bodyfat stores rather quickly when I hopped on the LifeCycle after my weight session. The result: Fat literally dropped off me, and in 12 weeks I was in the best shape of my life.
 
Well you guys can and will 'theorize' all you want about this stuff. The bottom line is to try it and see. MindGame was asking for some cuttng advice, not bulking advice. I do the traditional "no starchy carbs afetr 3pm) and "cardio first thing in the morning" when I'm cutting for shows. I lose very little muscle this way, and lots of fat. So as my boss is fond of saying "it may work in practice, but it won't work in theory".

There is really no doubt that the body will burn more fat when insulin levels are low, and glycogen stores are depleted. How you achieve this state of optimal fat-burning is up to you. You can use insulin, ketogenic diets, am cardio or a combo of all 3. Cardio after weight training also works. The important thing in any of these situations is that you have some protein after these events. I won't go into the tedious biochemistry here, but breakdown of muscle as a part of muscle "remodelling" is probably one of the most important aspects of muscle growth/maintenance in the right environment. In other words, short-term catabolism can lead to long term muscle growth/maintenance if you play your cards right.
 
Cackerot, I never read anywhere that muscle is burned before fat in the morning, it doesn't make sense to me, and I just tried doing a google search with some more keywords hoping to find something somewhere written aboutt hat, and I personally couldn't find any. if you can find a spot to back up what you say, please post it.

I want to say I don't go along with the muscle before fat deal because of the survival thing, not in this case.

at this time, how does your body concern itself with prolonged survival, when your body, being an efficient machine, is in the midst of searching for an immediate means of energy? If it doesn't get immediate energy to keep up with the stress and stay alive, it's not going to geta chance to survive for a prolonged period of time. Now with that in mind, if it needs immediate energy, why is it going to go for muscle (protein) at 4 cals a gram when it can get 9 from fat? More calories per gram = greater efficiency. Makes no sense.

Rudee, your problem is you were going 11 whole hours without food. you stopped eating at 7, I think cortisol starts popping out at around 3-4 hours of not eating...so you'd stay up till im guessing 10-11, cortisol levels should already be high by then and then you go to sleep, which produces more as well....I bet if you ate a pre bedtime small balanced meal, you wouldn't have totally wiped away your muscle with morning cardio.

Now cackerot, I'm sorry, but I never ever heard your theory from anyone, and i neevr read it anywhere. if you say it's true, then why in the world do you not see your method reccommended anywhere, and virtually every site and book tells you to do it on an empty stomach?

i'm sure despite what you think, people have done it with success, and there has to have been studies done on people other than obese middle aged women like you say. Scientists study everything, i doubt they'd pass this up, and I'm sure you probably find some kind of scientific data somewhere if you lookextremely hard..
 
This is my last post on this subject, we are not getting anywhere.

Most of what you said has been said before, and i have replied to it, i guess you failed to understand. If that is the case, re0read my posts. However, you did bring up some new points, and i will adress them.

"at this time, how does your body concern itself with prolonged survival, when your body, being an efficient machine, is in the midst of searching for an immediate means of energy?If it doesn't get immediate energy to keep up with the stress and stay alive, it's not going to geta chance to survive for a prolonged period of time. Now with that in mind, if it needs immediate energy, why is it going to go for muscle (protein) at 4 cals a gram when it can get 9 from fat? More calories per gram = greater efficiency. Makes no sense. "

The bodies sole purpose is survival. Everything the body does is to benefit survival. Everything. Once glyogen is burned, the next immediate energy source is MUSCLE. I've explained this to you already.

"Now cackerot, I'm sorry, but I never ever heard your theory from anyone, and i neevr read it anywhere. if you say it's true, then why in the world do you not see your method reccommended anywhere, and virtually every site and book tells you to do it on an empty stomach?"

Why do you see people spreading the myth of muscle shaping, toning, working the different parts of muscles (upper and lower pecs)? Becuase people don't apply basic physiology to what they are doing, it's not very hard to understand. Fat is more important for survival than that 1lb a muscle you put on in the past month through training.

"i'm sure despite what you think, people have done it with success, and there has to have been studies done on people other than obese middle aged women like you say. Scientists study everything, i doubt they'd pass this up, and I'm sure you probably find some kind of scientific data somewhere if you lookextremely hard.."

If you can find a study, i would be glad to read it - good luck, becuase it doesn't exist. You will lose fat by doing cardio in the morning on an empty stomach, of course you will, but at the cost of increased lean muscle mass loss.

MS,

"Well you guys can and will 'theorize' all you want about this stuff. The bottom line is to try it and see. MindGame was asking for some cuttng advice, not bulking advice. I do the traditional "no starchy carbs afetr 3pm) and "cardio first thing in the morning" when I'm cutting for shows. I lose very little muscle this way, and lots of fat. So as my boss is fond of saying "it may work in practice, but it won't work in theory"."

Are you on AS? Just curious. This WILL work, but the cons are greater than the pros.

"There is really no doubt that the body will burn more fat when insulin levels are low, and glycogen stores are depleted. How you achieve this state of optimal fat-burning is up to you. You can use insulin, ketogenic diets, am cardio or a combo of all 3. Cardio after weight training also works. The important thing in any of these situations is that you have some protein after these events."

Yes, it will burn more fat, and it will burn more muscle. The muscle will go faster than the fat.

"I won't go into the tedious biochemistry here, but breakdown of muscle as a part of muscle "remodelling" is probably one of the most important aspects of muscle growth/maintenance in the right environment. In other words, short-term catabolism can lead to long term muscle growth/maintenance if you play your cards right."

This is only the case with weight training, you stimulate contractile hypertrophy by tearing down muscle fibers, and they "remodel" and supercompensate in case of future stress. This does not mean that burning muscle as energy is a good thing.

As i said, This is my last post on this topic. I hope you all learned something.
 
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wtf!!!
I *COMPLETELY* agree with MS about it working in practice but not in theory. It has been my case.
And your theory isn't very solid, and just like our theory, yours has no scientific evidence. The difference between the two is that we have more "practice evidence" than your theory does. So what's it gonna be? Yours to decide. Try em both, see what works best for your body.

I think that's a solution we can all live with.

And MS, could you go into the biochemistry of
breakdown of muscle as a part of muscle "remodelling" is probably one of the most important aspects of muscle growth/maintenance in the right environment. In other words, short-term catabolism can lead to long term muscle growth/maintenance if you play your cards right.
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Im interested, as this could be a final argument to this case. And if you have scientifc evidence of whatever you are going to say, that will shut cackerot up.

Not cackerot that Im not attempting to disrespect you. I actually respect you for doubting conventional thinking, it is what makes good scientists. But unfortunately im not on your side, that's all.

Peace
 
"This is my last post on this subject, we are not getting anywhere."

No need to "shut me up", I'm already done.

Listen, There isn't any scientific evidence to support EITHER side, it just hasn't been done. All we have to work with is knowledge of the body, which i have explained numerous times in this thread.

EOD.
 
I'm sorry it's your last post on this topic crackerot, because you've obviously been doing some deep thinking on this subject. No I am not on AS, and never have been. And I have many happy clients who have dieted for shows using this technique with good results.

Yes, you will catabolize some muscle (no matter when you do your cardio), but as long as you get enough carbs and protein circulating soon afterwards, the muscle catabolism (that is already underway to a certain extent when you roll out of bed) is repaired. This is part of humans normal adaptation to regular prolonged fasting. As long as the circulating amino acid pool is kept 'topped up', there is no evidence that this short term catabolism is permanent. If it were, we would gradually get smaller everytime we get up in the morning!

There is a tremendous amount of individual response to this. There is evidence (even in humans) that adrenergic stimulation such as induced by exercize or the use of beta-agonists (which I use before am cardio) favorably influence the ratio of calpistatin:calpain in skeletal muscle. We can expect that, just like in other animals, some humans will naturally exhibit different ratios or isoforms of these enzyme systems which may be why "it works for me but not for you". Of considerable interest to me is that Anabolic steroids upregulate calpistatin AND down regulate calpain, and this may ultimately prove to be their only truly 'anabolic' effect.

I should also mention that I am a big fan of glutamine and free form amino acids before my cardio, so it may be misleading to call it exercize on an empty stomach.

Ultimately, what this all means is that you need to try it and see if it works for you. If you feel you're losing too much muscle by doing cardio on an empty stomach, then by all means train later in the day, or have a small meal (or glutamine and amino acids). But IMHO 'catabolism' is the most abused and misunderstood word used by bodybuilders. Sometimes I get the impression that folks think they're going to shrink away like Alice-in-Wonderland just because they're an hour late for a meal, or have to get up and milk the cows before breakfast (or heaven forbid, go out and exert yourself to catch your breakfast like our predecessors).
 
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