First Time

[amz]

First time cycle and I wanted some input if possible. I am 30+, lifting for 12 years, currently 6'3" 300lbs at 20%BF.

Weeks 1-3 DBol 25mg daily
Weeks 1-10 Test Enen 200mg, 2cc weekly
Weeks 1-10 Test Prop 250mg, 1cc Every 3rd day.
PCT Nolva, HCG

Goal is for strength, and size, and trying to get BF% down to 15%. Would EQ be a better substitute for the Prop, or the Enenthate? Not really sure, and looking for some opinions.

 

[wls8687]

Remove Prop, and replace it with EQ, or just go for Test enth+d-bol,
or you'r heading towards a coma..

 

[mikebzt]

diet down to 15% first. You will be glad you did.
Test prop 250mg cc?????? are you sure that would cripple you.
dbal seema bit on the low side but different strokes for diff folks

 

[escher]

First time cycle and I wanted some input if possible. I am 30+, lifting for 12 years, currently 6'3" 300lbs at 20%BF.

Weeks 1-3 DBol 25mg daily
Weeks 1-10 Test Enen 200mg, 2cc weekly
Weeks 1-10 Test Prop 250mg, 1cc Every 3rd day.
PCT Nolva, HCG

Goal is for strength, and size, and trying to get BF% down to 15%. Would EQ be a better substitute for the Prop, or the Enenthate? Not really sure, and looking for some opinions.

Mike's right on. Diet diet diet, unless you're like the powerlifters who just don't care.

Based on your stats you're a true endomorph, and a BIG one at that. So some leaner gear wouldn't hurt (tren, EQ winny). You'll need a clean diet and some good ancillaries like A-dex or Femara if you expect clean gains from a D-bol/test cycle, as the water bloat might be more pronounced for a guy with your body type.

I disagree with stacking enanthate AND prop. Propionate for the first 3-4 weeks if you're looking for a faster kick, afte rthat let the slow-acting ester do its thing and stick to enanthate. Would save you money and injection sites. Good luck with whatever you decide!

-e

 

[amz]

Good advise from all. This is what a friend recommended, and is what he is going to do, but he has cycled yearly for at least 5 yrs or so. I guess it does seem to be a bit much with the Prop and Enen together. I will give the EQ a thought.

 

[Apexx]

concentrate on your diet and cardio like your life depended on it for the next three months to get your bf down. If you start juicing without dropping the fat you will just end up with muscle that's underneath a bunch of fat. Which will only make you look even more fat.
Then after you are happy with what your bf% is, start a cycle. It's only your first cycle. No need to add 2 or 3 compounds to it. Test only at 500mg's per week will be plenty to grow off of. Learn how your body responds to that and apply that knowledge to your next cycle.
Believe me, nobody does only one cycle, there will be plenty more. No need to try and accomplish everything in one cycle.

 

[DIVISION]

concentrate on your diet and cardio like your life depended on it for the next three months to get your bf down. If you start juicing without dropping the fat you will just end up with muscle that's underneath a bunch of fat. Which will only make you look even more fat.

Lil'ApexxNugga..........

You don't know what his goals are or even if he's a BB. Don't give him recommendations regarding BF% when you have no clue as to what HE wants. Unless you are a BB, who cares if his BF% is 15+ ?

If strength is the goal, you don't want to diet down severely, all that will do is give you half-assed gains and plateau your strength..........

I don't think he's wanting to look like John Basedow, here.....





DIV

 

[Apexx]

Lil'ApexxNugga..........

You don't know what his goals are or even if he's a BB. Don't give him recommendations regarding BF% when you have no clue as to what HE wants. Unless you are a BB, who cares if his BF% is 15+ ?

If strength is the goal, you don't want to diet down severely, all that will do is give you half-assed gains and plateau your strength..........

I don't think he's wanting to look like John Basedow, here.....





DIV

Lil'DivNugga

"who cares if his BF% is 15+ ?"

You might want to read the original thread again. He says that HE wants to get down to 15%.

So, I'm giving him advise on what HE wants to accomplish. After that he can still gain mass and strength with a cycle, and I guarantee the he will be much happier with what he sees in the mirror.

 

[amz]

Again, all good thoughts. Like I said I'd like to get down to 15%bf maybe lower someday? That's not the #1 proirity. I do powerlift and would like to hit some pr's at a meet end of Feb. Loooking to put my bench over 500 and my squat over 650. Not that I want to look like a slob, but again strength and size are the most important things for me. I do think maybe form some of the posts that stacking 3 things might be a bit agressive for the first time, going over 1 gram/week but I'm not 150 lbs either, so not sure if I should be very conservative at 500mg/wk like apexx states or what. Great input and a lot to thibk about, thanks again to all.

 

[DIVISION]

Lil'DivNugga

"who cares if his BF% is 15+ ?"

You might want to read the original thread again. He says that HE wants to get down to 15%.

So, I'm giving him advise on what HE wants to accomplish. After that he can still gain mass and strength with a cycle, and I guarantee the he will be much happier with what he sees in the mirror.

BabyApexxNugga.......

I don't see a major difference between 15% and 20%, and if he diets down like you suggest he'd probably see 8% or so......

What he's satisfied with is totally up to him, you're not him.

You're making a huge assumption by saying that he'll be happier....

You'd be happier is what you mean.





DIV