First cycle

[veneto82]

I have some primo, test prop and winstrol on hand.
Im looking at doing the following cycle to get lean muscle and ripped look. What do you think of the following? This is my first cycle so looking at being a bit preservative and not going all out.

weeks 1-2 100mg/pw test 200mg/pw primo
weeks 3-5 200mg/pw test 300mg/pw primo
weeks 6-8 200mg/pw test 400mg/pw primo
weeks 8-10 300mg/pw primo 200mg/pw winni
weeks 11-12 200mg/pw primo 200mg/pw winni
week 13 200mg/pw winni

Do i need any anti-estrogens and/or pct stuff. If so what do you reccomend and when should i take it all?

 

[2DIEZEL]

Whats your stats?

 

[bigtravis]

For a first cycle I would hold on to the winny for a later date. Do the primo at an equal mg per week also what test compound are you using?

 

[veneto82]

has anyone else done a similar cycle

 

[veneto82]

using prop as base

 

[thebigoz]

Stats please. Age, weight, height, bf%, training experience.

 

[veneto82]

Age = 26
Weight = about 78kg
height = 180cm
Body fat = not sure maybe 14%
training experience = 7 years (im at my peak now, cant get any bigger naturally) diet is in check doing cutting diet at the moment - doing cardio as well.

 

[bigtravis]

I do not see any reason to taper/pyramid or what ever. especially with prop. Matter of fact I don't like it as a first cycle bro. I firmly believe you might need to consider holding all of that for a later date and try some other compounds such as Test Enathate @ 400mg/wk and Deca @ 200mg/wk for 8 weeks to see what you recieve but also have hcg, nolva, and clomid on hand. Try the clomid to see how you react to it during your PCT. You may not like it but it's a good time to try it.

 

[Excidium28]

is that 100mg per week??

I would do minimum
50mg prop/day
500mg primo/week

Lean or fat is mostly gonna depend on your diet.

 

[veneto82]

reason im pyramiding it is because its first time on it and thought i might start of lower doses to ease my body in to it. or is this not necesary?
Can i inject prop 4 times a week or does it really need to be every day? with primo do i inject once a week?

 

[sweed]

test propinate has a fast acting ester attached to the hormone, which will release it fast than a enanthate or cypionate ester.
It is best to inject the propinate everyday(ed), but most people do it every other day(eod). doing that keep with levels in the blood stable to control sides better.
primo is best injected twice a week since it has an enanthate ester attached to it. (im guessing because most is).

There is no reason to pyramid the doses, keeping even doses throughout the cycle will keep the blood levesl even in the beginning and the end. less sides if any.
save the winny. anti-e's may be needed during the cycle. there are a few kinds of those, and there is plenty of info on those on the boards. search for them and research them.
pct will depend on what is run, if you run prop til the end then pct can be start 1-3 days after your last injection. We have plenty of sponsored products that work great from members experiences.
Again, you can research them to find out.
Do some more research and then come back to post up everything so we can critique on that. If we tell you everything then it leaves you to do nothing, and you will remember more if you research it yourself. There is tons of info on everything so go check out the different forums on pct, supplements, diet etc and good luck.

 

[veneto82]

every other day as in (every 2nd day?)