First cycle

[Payton]

First of all would like to say hey to everyone and introduce myself.

Im about to take my first cycle after about 2 years straight of training. Im doing a cycle of Dbol and Test E, Dbol for weeks 1-4 and Test E for weeks 1-12. Im 20 years old and 5'9 and 160lbs (after cutting all summer) and very low bodyfat count (not sure what exactly now i havent tested since may). Im looking to put on some muscle weight but also don't want to put on a lot of fat weight. I understand that water weight will be put on with the Dbol but besides that is there a lot of fat weight that comes on with a cycle like this. I eat very clean and healthy so i dont think it would come from my diet. Any other thoughts or comments would be greatly appriecieted.

Thanks

 

[Quadsweep]

I would say no Dbol as its not a first cycle drug. Intead consider Test E at 400mg P/W and 200-300mg EQ per week. Dbol is agressive and should be saved if used at all as it is hard on the liver and HPTA as a whole.

Quadsweep

 

[big greg 82]

for a first cycle i would just run the test enth at 500mg a wk for 10-12 weeks... or if you want you could add the eq as stated above but i would just stick with the test.... goodluck bro

 

[Payton]

what would be the best length of time for EQ if i running 12 weeks of test enth?

 

[mikefear]

what would be the best length of time for EQ if i running 12 weeks of test enth?

12 weeks

 

[Payton]

If eating clean and properly how much can i expect my BF% to go up during the cycle?

 

[Mac173]

I would say no Dbol as its not a first cycle drug. Intead consider Test E at 400mg P/W and 200-300mg EQ per week. Dbol is agressive and should be saved if used at all as it is hard on the liver and HPTA as a whole.

Quadsweep

Many people recommend d bol for a first cycle kick start. I don't see why that isn't a first cycle drug when used around 30mg ed.

 

[obey]

Many people recommend d bol for a first cycle kick start. I don't see why that isn't a first cycle drug when used around 30mg ed.

I agree i dont see throwing some dbol in at a low dose for 4 weeks as a problem for a first cycle. I agree on its liver toxicity but its liver toxic no matter how many cycles you have done... So to say that it cant or shouldnt be used on a first cycle makes no sense to me.. if you choose not to go with dbol maybe run some prop 100mg/eod 1-4 and eq @ 300-400/ew looks fine if you choose to run it...

 

[gettnlarge01]

At 20yrs of age you have a lot growing you need to do without gear. For a first cycle it should be a low dose of 250mg/wk of test so you can see how your body will react to it and make adjustments as nessary.