first cycle

[TA63]

Im fairly certain that in the next year or so, I will be attempting my 1st cycle. I need something simple and fairly inexpensive that will give good, solid gains that are fairly easy to keep without adding unnecessary body fat or water weight. I have been reading alot lately, and thought I would ask your opinions on these two stacks. Both are for 8 weeks.

Sust. 250 every 5 days with 50 mg oral winstrol per day, 1st 6 weeks.
10 mg nolva daily weeks 5-8.

50 mg. Fina every other day with 50 mg oral winstrol daily, 1st 6 weeks.
10 mg nolva daily weeks 5-8.


I won't be doing anything for at least 8 months, so Ive got plenty of time to figure this out. Any advice you can give would be greatly appreciated.

 

[bullcocky]

I would take a shot of sust250 a day for about 3 weeks. That comes to 1750mg a week. Sounds like a lot, but believe me, you will get the most out of the cycle. Be sure to use a good antiE

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Avoid bullcocky's advice. I'm currently 5'9" 225 around 9% body fat, and am running 125 mg of test prop ed.

Trenbolone is not a good choice for a beginer, so I would personally avoid it for a first cycle. Sustanon at 5 day injection intervals does not yield the most stable blood serum levels possible. I would go with something like this if you insist on using oral winstrol for your cycle: 400 mg of test enathate or cypionate with 50 mg of winstrol every day.

 

[sweed]

Bodybyfinaplix,
you mean 400 mg test enanthate or cyp a week and 50 mg winny ed , right?

 

[bullcocky]

Avoid bullcocky's advice. I'm currently 5'9" 225 around 9% body fat, and am running 125 mg of test prop ed.

Trenbolone is not a good choice for a beginer, so I would personally avoid it for a first cycle. Sustanon at 5 day injection intervals does not yield the most stable blood serum levels possible. I would go with something like this if you insist on using oral winstrol for your cycle: 400 mg of test enathate or cypionate with 50 mg of winstrol every day.

Did he say this was his first cycle, oops I was referring to just the sust alone without anything else. 1750 mg a week for three weeks yields excellent results. Read up on sust250 you will find that a shot every day for three weeks is the best way to get the most out of it, depending on what you are trying to do.

 

[Duncan_floyd]

I did 250mg week test enanthate with awesome results so mabe 200-300mg week test e or cyp with 50mg oed winny and a good anti-e should rock you! remember keep the doses low pal more is not better keep the cals up too!

 

[Deleted member 33117]

duncan, its interesting when these sort of results are reported because they have actually done studies on doses ranging from 50-600 mg a week on weight training, young men and found that 300 mg every week yielded very small gains, especially when compaired with 600 mg.


sweed, LoL, opps yes I ment the test once a week, not every day
400 mg test cyp/ena every WEEK
50 mg of winstrol every day

I would think 400 mg of test every day is a bit excessive for a first cycle.

 

[RussianBro]

ok, bro... don't listen to anyone, who says you have to do over 1 gram of AS a week on your first cycle...
It's too freaky. You can do just fine on your first cycle with your original plan.
If you go 1750 plus 50X7 = 2.1 gram a WEEK!!! What a waste! 6.3 grams of test for your first three weeks!!! holy shit!!!
You are gonna do just fine with what you are doing. Don't let anyone hurt you with advice. Seems like you have done good research, so take advice, but make wise decision. You will get great results from your first cycle doing your doses. Just don't get burnt with too much test (following advices like that) and don't ruine your health or get f..king bitch tits.
The trick is to figure out HOW your body responds to smaller doses of different AS. I know that certain type of injectables or orals don't do crap for me, but others just kick my ass even on smaller doses. So, figure it out. Try different ones and see what works for you best.
Good luck...

 

[GoldenDelicious]

you know bullcocky has actually put forth quite a valid cycle, given the formulation of the sustanon product. his cycle will yield favorable results and is a lot more logical than using a formulation like sustanon and then expecting a sharp endpoint to the cycle, and then trying to run pct efficaciously

for a first cycle though, its probably a very bad idea

anyway im not going to reccommend anything since thats a tad too out there for me. just make sure you use your anti aromatics and anti e along with hcg to minimise your sides, and bear in mind as your first cycle, otherwise small doses will work very well...and try to avoid the more toxic ones like tren...

edit: wires crossed for a second there

 

[GoldenDelicious]

shit not clomid i mean hcg

 

[TA63]

Thanks for the replies. I have alot to learn yet, and am in no rush. I am looking to develop strength as well as lean mass, and keep BF% low. I am not the least bit worried about injections, but am worried about developing gyno. I can not do daily injections, because of my job. If anyone has any other cycle suggestions that are moderately priced, please feel free to post them.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Oh, you want a cheap frist cycle that requires one shot a week? Easy.
300-400 mg test enatathe a week
300-400 mg of boldenone a week

Cheap, simple, and it yields excellent gains.

 

[DiamondCutCows]

Oh, you want a cheap frist cycle that requires one shot a week? Easy.
300-400 mg test enatathe a week
300-400 mg of boldenone a week

Cheap, simple, and it yields excellent gains.

Oh yeah, go that way!

 

[TA63]

enatathe and boldenone, huh? never looked into that combo yet.

could these two shots be combined into one injection per week, or do they need to be separated? From my reading, winstrol is an excellent drug for staying lean and not retaining water. Am I worrying too much about this?

 

[DiamondCutCows]

enatathe and boldenone, huh? never looked into that combo yet.

could these two shots be combined into one injection per week, or do they need to be separated? From my reading, winstrol is an excellent drug for staying lean and not retaining water. Am I worrying too much about this?

I'd say ur worrying too much about staying lean. EQ/Test can be mixed.
Should produce fairly lean mass gains, depending on ur diet.

GL, DCC

 

[mphowells]

Am I worrying too much about this?

No way man, your gonna be putting drugs into your body for 2 months for the 1st time ever. Worrying about it lets you look at all the possibilities I'd say. Good luck.

 

[TA63]

No way man, your gonna be putting drugs into your body for 2 months for the 1st time ever. Worrying about it lets you look at all the possibilities I'd say. Good luck.

I plan to do my research very thoroughly. I meant worrying about the staying lean and water retention part. Thanks for the advice.

 

[Bonkme2]

Worrying about it is certainly good to do, but you're really not going to know what's going to happen until you start the cycle. You'll find guys on both sides that say XX amount of test made me blow up like a balloon with water, and XX amount of test hardly gave me any bloat at all. Just do enough research to know what COULD happen, and decide what you're going to do to combat it beforehand.

As far as the BF%, I'd rather overfeed myself and know that I'm getting more than my body can handle and I'm growing as fast as my body can handle, rather than staying lean and wondering if I could be squeezing in another few pounds of muscle with a few extra calories.
But that's just me...

 

[TA63]

Thanks to all for the advice.
Should hcg be taken during the cycle? Also, do I need to run both nolva and clomid, or is one or the other sufficient?

For some reason, I like the sound of Sustanon 250. Is enathathe that much better? How about Sust at E3D?

 

[bicepts101]

good advise BBF