First cycle...

[Nathan]

I'm 21, about 5ft11, 165 lbs., and have been training with dedication for the last two years (longer actually but not as serious about it before). I've got my training and nutrition down at this point, but I'm now gaining new muscle at a snail's pace (damn genetics) and so am planning my first cycle for the fall. I've been reading up on AS on this site for the past 4 months (thanks for all the great info guys), and here's what I've come up with:

week---D-bol---Test enan.
1---20mg---250mg
2---25mg---250mg
3---25mg---500mg
4---20mg---500mg
5---0---500mg
6---0---500mg
7---0---500mg
8---0---250mg

I think I'll take 25mg Proviron ed to fight gyno (and keep water retention down a bit), and I'll be sure to have Nolvadex on hand - I'm a little frightened of getting gyno, to be honest, though I don't think I really have any reason to believe that I'm genetically predisposed to it (didn't have it as a teenager). I'd love to take Arimidex or Liquidex but can't possibly afford it (cost is another reason that I chose the above for my first cycle). I'll start Clomid therapy about 20 days after my last injection at 100mg/day for days 1-5, 50mg/day for days 6-15 and 25mg/day for days 16-21. Oh, and I'll eat about 3500-4000cal/day on this cycle, keeping it all clean of course.
I respect the opinions of most guys on this board and would appreciate your feedback.

 

[1abbig]

need to increase your caloric intake to 4k plus ed. no need to ramp the dbol or test. start at 25mg dbol in week one and run through week 5 with no taper. the test i would start at 500mg a week and taper at the end. clomid starting in week 3 is good. take the prov at 50mg -100mg ed. it wil help harden you up as well

 

[manny78]

looks good. i would go for a 5000 cal/day and a 300 g protein/day actually I'm doing this and it works very well. Did you considered Decca ? with d-bols and test it could be perfect but as you said cost is an issue for you (

Anyway good luck bro

 

[trial0r]

no need to taper bro. up the cals and protein a bit

 

[jay49]

that was also my first cycle, put on 20lbs no prob...and never looked back

 

[Nathan]

Thanks guys. I have to do more research on sources, but from most price lists I've seen it seemed to me that test (provided it's not sust) would be cheaper than deca. I mainly did the tapering due to cost issues but I suppose that an extra 10 mg of D-bol won't make much difference. I can probably also afford the extra test. Any more opinions welcome.

 

[1abbig]

CHECK YOUR MAIL BRO!

 

[manny78]

bro ...the cycle I'm doing now is cheap and works pretty good

sustanon 500 mg/week for 8 weeks
Winny 50 mg eod week 5-8

of course clomids and novaldex

 

[Nathan]

BUMP for more insight.

 

[BigAndy69]

Your cycle looks good, but I would start 500mg week 2 instead of week 3. I remember that you eat roughly 2900 cals for bulking. 3500 cals on gear is not gonna cut it.

 

[Nathan]

Thanks. BigAndy, I've had to up the calories a fair bit since then, actually. Seems that 4000-5000cal/day is the range I must eat in. That's what everyone always recommends but I don't weigh 200lbs. so I reduced the calroie intake a bit accordingly. But sounds like I should still be getting 4000-5000/day, so that's what I'll do. Thanks.

 

[nitetrane]

Nothing wrong there. I would like to see the D-bol at 30mg's. Start right out the gate at 500mg's with the Test enanth. If you could, like others have said, Deca would be great.
I would save the proviron to bridge between cycles. that is if you are planning on another. Or just use at the end of cycle. Proviron will help you keep your gains by hardening you up a bit. Proviron is an androgen and will bind with your receptors and hamper your gains if used during cycle. I would only use IF you sense the beginning of gyno symptoms. Good luck.

 

[Digital Ronin]

Rule of thumb for a bulking cycle (and remember this is a very broad generalization) is 25 cal/lb of body weight. So, if you're bulking, you're going to need to eat at least 4100 cal/day. (And that's assuming an average metabolism) Also at 165lbs, you're going to want to consume a minimum of 300g of protien/day if not slighty more...

Keep the Nolvadex on hand in the event of gyno and don't bother with tapering... I'd say 400mg-500mg of Test a week for your first cycle is plenty and I'd up the Dbol to 25mg/day for the first 4 wks.

Keep in mind that if you decide to add Deca (as some have suggested), you are also going to want to add winny. Good luck...

 

[Will B. Big]

sounds like youve done some homework...id agree with others to maybe up the dbol just a little if you can afford it, also start out with 500mg test

 

[Nathan]

Thanks everyone. Looks like I'll up it to 25mg D-bol weeks 1-4, and 500mg test enan. weeks 1-8.