First cycle

[nolin]

Ok Guru's here's the stacking info for my first cycle: Deca, Test depot, first 6 weeks in a diamond with the test done after 6 weeks and the deca titrated down weeks 7-11, Winny weeks 7-11, HCG weeks 12-13 to restart the gonads and proviron throughout for the gyno. I think this is good my peak dosages for for deca and test will be 3-400mg. I'm wondering though...will the HCG precipitate the gyno or will it not matter if I'm using the proviron- Thanks

 

[Kakdiesel]

dont taper up or down anything..thats kind of wasting your money..if anything, you should FRONT LOAD at the begining if you want to do anything like that, but I think a consistent level for a longer period of time is the way to go..

Consistency in terms of blood-hormone levels has worked the best in my opinion..

fluctuation is never good..and if this is your FIRST cycle, you shouldnt worry about tapering up or down--you will respond VERY well to good , level dosages.

Kak

 

[1Banshee]

As Kakdiesel said above there is no need to taper!!!
Pick your dosages and stick with them. I would suggest a 8 - 10 weeks cycle of both the Test and Deca. If you chose to add winny, do it mid-way through the cycle and extend it past the end of the long acting AS, possibly right up to the Clomid therapy.

Use HCG only during the cycle, near the end is a great use. Do not use HCG post cycle it will further inhibit your HPTA recovery. You will need to use Clomid and possibly Proviron (low dosage 50mg pd) post cycle.

Also be aware that Proviron is apparently a decent anti-e but there are much better options. Arimidex for example. Proviron will help but it may not be enough, especially in terms of Gyno brought on by Deca..


What kind of dosages are you considering??

 

[jc21]

i agree with the two above there is no need for tapering.

and as for your attempt at a vocabulary...do you even know what titrating means. what you thought you could blabber on with all these big words without a chemist catching you.

 

[nolin]

I meant titrating in the sense of gradually adding more of a given substance during the cycle not in the strict chemists terms: "to ascertain the quantity of a given constituent by adding a liquid reagent of known strength and measuring the volume necessary to convert the constituent to another form". Maybe I should say tapering off, at any rate the point in tapering was to slowly decrease the level of test so as not to experience as dramatic a rise in estrogen. If this is wrong it's advice that George gave me so I guess you should tell him he's full of shit too. Also I'm here to learn like everybody else, I'm not a chemist I don't claim to be, if you have some good advice try giving it minus the sacrasm. I also made a point to mention I'm a newbie, why you got the impresion I was " Using big words " to give a false impression of my knowledge is beyond me. I thought I was using proper terminology.

My advice to you is to loosen up, I quote Ferris Buheler-
" Cameron's so tight, if you puy a lump of coal up his ass in a week you'd have a diamond "

 

[jc21]

no hard feelings...i am just busting your balls. as for your response i see that you do know what a titration is..kind of.

 

[olympia4ever]

hi, isnt 3 roids for your first cycle a bit much? test, deca and winny? i would never do that...proviron throughout the whole cycle will probably hinder gains, dont be so worried about gyno...its your first cycle, im not worrying about it really at all...everyone seems to be making such a fuss about gyno...i read that gyno was something that only very experienced roiders get, people on hi doses. Doesnt this explain why many kids on their first cycles are shitting themselves over gyno in there 3-4 cycles later on down the line...because they are taking way too much...ive seen people put on 25 lbs of quality with just 500 sust or 400 deca...they never took jack for gyno or that stuff and didnt get it...first cycle should be simple like sust and deca, or just deca, or just sust...my personal opinion is that a stack of 3 roids should be left for second or third cycles. it shocks me to see peoples photos who say they have finished there first cycle of 400 deca, 500 sust and 40 mg dbol for first 5 weeks...and they look crap at 185 lbs...i trust you know what your doing...bodybuilding isnt a short term thing, build up the roids gradually with each cycle, that way you will get more solid lasting muscle with less chance of gyno...again it all depends wether you want shortcuts, but we know where shortcuts can lead...not the right path...anyway whatever you decide, choose well and train hard, see you.

 

[RAMPAGE1]

well said, use it dont abuse it!!!

 

[RussianBro]

...everyone seems to be making such a fuss about gyno...i read that gyno was something that only very experienced roiders get, people on hi doses. .

Bro, have to disagree with you on that one... I had a minor gyno from f.cking prohormones back few years ago (although I took loads of it, no results, wasted hundreds )... I have to be carefull all the time... There was a very good post here: http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=129968

 

[mvmaxx]

... dont be so worried about gyno...its your first cycle, im not worrying about it really at all...everyone seems to be making such a fuss about gyno...

This is one of the worst posts I've seen.

i read that gyno was something that only very experienced roiders get, people on hi doses.

You read wrong!

 

[olympia4ever]

funny isnt it how you look at old school bodybuilders and not one has gyno...then when you look how much less roids they took it makes sense though