First cycle winny advice

[chrisoh]

Hey all, I've been lifting for about 2 years seriously now and I think I hit my plateau and I havent been able to up my lift for about 2 months now so I'm finally looking into anbabolics to break it. Im pretty sure I've reached my maximum size (6'1", 205lbs, 12%BF and im pretty big for an asian guy) and strength (315 bench, 225 incline, 500 squat) so im looking into AS for cutting and a bit of bulking. I'd like to start off with a winny-only cycle for abotu 8-10 weeks but I'm unsure of the dosage. The supplier has only orals available at 2mg each and I have no idea how much is a good number to start with. I have yet to find a non-overseas supplier but im a little wary of customs and seizures, I've heard 50mg but that's pretty high in my opinion since I've never taken it before. Also, although winny doesnt aromatize, it still can cause a rebound so I've beenalso reading up on clomid and I'd also like to know how much of that to take. ANy help would be appreciated.

Thanks for reading!

 

[psroth]

First of all, a winny only cycle is not a very wise choice as it usually causes pretty intense joint pain that kicks in as early as 2 weeks. Alot of people have to quit or add in other AS just to continue. The best stack for a beginner who wants to try winny is to stack with Deca.

Low dosages of winny are only good for cutting but no dramatic increases in either strength or mass. One really needs 50mg every day to take advantage of it strength/mass building capabilities. (the 2mg tabs become very expensive and annoying to maintain - the 50mg tabs are MUCH better choice.)

Ideally, you would take 50mg orally ED for no more than 6 weeks (the last 6 weeks), and 400mg Deca every week for 8-10 weeks. This would prevent joint pain, provide good strength increases, and for a first time user, great gains in solid muscle with little to no water retention. Follow up with clomid 10 days after last deca shot would be required at:

day 1: 300mg
day 2-11: 100mg ed
day 12-21: 50 mg ed

Hope this helps!

 

[chrisoh]

Thanks for the reply. 50mg a day for a first cycle of winny, I'll try that but isn't that a lot? Also, would'nt i have to do arimidex or nolvadex if I add the deca?

 

[psroth]

50mg is not that much. It is a very tolerable amount. Just make sure to split it up 2x a day - 25mg after breakfast, and 25mg after dinner.

The clomid will function as the anti-estrogen as well as a natural testosterone booster. It will help you keep your gains, even though this cycle is not one where gains commonly dissappear.