First cycle What do you think?

[nicpanek]

I am going to be starting my first cycle shortly i am 21 years of age 212 pounds 6 foot tall been training for 4 years basicly i have a diet set up and planned out. All i need is some ideas on my PCT and just advice on the iteams i have chosen.

Test E 500mg a week split mon-thur
Equpoise 200mg what day do you think should shoot this?

The cycle will last for 10 weeks

i am built in the cheast and back region more bulky built not alot of defenision. This being te reason i decided to have Equpoise rather then Deca good choise?

any help would be great.

 

[GetBig10]

200mg EQ is a total waste bro...

bro research some bit...this is your first post...200mg eq will not do net hing
500 test is good...but u shud know why u chose eq over deca

 

[GetBig10]

200mg EQ is a total waste bro...

bro research some bit...this is your first post...200mg eq will not do net hing
500 test is good...but u shud know why u chose eq over deca

get a couple of few more years under ur belt...

 

[BigCracker]

get a couple of few more years under ur belt...

And ask for hooked on phonics for X-mas cuz you spell like old people fuck.

Props for not wanting to run "dbol only" 6 weeks though.

However, it does sound like youre waiting to take juice before you really start to dial in your diet and training. You need to have these things in check natty, otherwise you'll only receive minimal benefits from roids and the gains you do make will readily disappear when you go off.

 

[GetBig10]

And ask for hooked on phonics for X-mas cuz you spell like old people fuck.

Props for not wanting to run "dbol only" 6 weeks though.

However, it does sound like youre waiting to take juice before you really start to dial in your diet and training. You need to have these things in check natty, otherwise you'll only receive minimal benefits from roids and the gains you do make will readily disappear when you go off.

big cracker said it..bro

 

[nicpanek]

Thank you for your replys i have done reasherch im no good at spelling lolz anyway reason i want to even stack an7ything with the test e is beacouse of body fat other wise i would just run a test e only cycle at 500mg for 12 weeks.

 

[Selene]

please post your statistics when asking for help with such things, height/age/weight/training experience as it is a great assistance in giving proper advise

 

[nicpanek]

ok well im 189cm witch is 6 foot and 94 killos witch is bout 211 pounds not sure bout the body fat but as i said i am a bulky person this is the reason i choise not to take deca wit the test e

 

[mobro]

doing my first cycle in two years, treating it like it is my first. since i did everything wrong before becoming a member here. 500mg test c ew(split mon& thur) , aifm @ 1 pump twice a day and loving it. in 4th week of 8 and have gained almost twenty pounds,without a bloated face. lol. these guys have taught me alot, diet is more important than i thought. thanks guys

 

[immortalis]

as stated above... 200mgs of EQ is a complete waste, especially if you are only running it for 10 weeks. EQ is a long acting ester-based compound that typically is ran for a minimum of 15 weeks.

 

[GymIntensity]

ya, EQ needs to be ran at least 14weeks for maximum effectiveness. I would run 400-500 EQ per week along with the test. Be careful though because you sound like you dont want any added bodyfat, and the EQ will give you hunger cravings and make you eat alot. It will also make you vascular and give you rope-like veins. gluck

 

[mobro]

ya, EQ needs to be ran at least 14weeks for maximum effectiveness. I would run 400-500 EQ per week along with the test. Be careful though because you sound like you dont want any added bodyfat, and the EQ will give you hunger cravings and make you eat alot. It will also make you vascular and give you rope-like veins. gluck

sounds like eq and sust will be my next cycle. how about keepable gains? heard they were good with eq. or do you bros think "keepable gains" has more to do with other variables than just the type as?

 

[ForemanRules]

ya, EQ needs to be ran at least 14weeks for maximum effectiveness. I would run 400-500 EQ per week along with the test. Be careful though because you sound like you dont want any added bodyfat, and the EQ will give you hunger cravings and make you eat alot. It will also make you vascular and give you rope-like veins. gluck

Total BS on the EQ.


Test is best espically for a first cycle. As many have and will say just do 500mg test for 10 weeks and also propper PCT.

 

[nicpanek]

Well one question then what do you people think i should run with my test e i dont want to do deca i was thinking bout d-bol for first 4 weeks at 30mg a day but im all ready pretty bulky also if i was to do d-bol i would extend the cycle to 12 weeks and weeks 9-12 take winnny oral thing is beacouse its my first cycle i dont want to add so many compunds i was wiling to add eq for reasons it will make me look more lean and cut then deca i would love to use d-bol to give the cycle a kick start but im worried i am a bit to chubby at the moment. But i think to my self i am going to be eating very clean watching wat i eat and drink very closley wat do youse think like i said im not in a huge rush and want to cover all the options.

 

[rakasha681]

Total BS on the EQ.


Test is best espically for a first cycle. As many have and will say just do 500mg test for 10 weeks and also propper PCT.

You cant just say "Toal BS on the EQ" and not give anything to back it up.. since you bolded the part about EQ needing to be run for at least 14 weeks, id assume thats what you were refrencing. So let me break it down for you:

EQ's half life is about 9-11 days, depending on metabolism. "Bigger" guys tend to have a slower metabolism, so lets go with 11 days.
As a general rule, its about 5 half-lifes to reach a state state of release into the blood.
(simple math) 5x11=55 days, 55/7=7.9 weeks
Soo... the EQ isnt kicking in until about week 8, and if you cut it off at week 10, you basically have a 2 full weeks of eq before your levels start dropping. Would you run test prop for 2 weeks? so why would you run EQ for 2?

So exactly what part of the EQ needing to be run for 14+wks was BS?

 

[Makavelli]

Well one question then what do you people think i should run with my test e i dont want to do deca i was thinking bout d-bol for first 4 weeks at 30mg a day but im all ready pretty bulky also if i was to do d-bol i would extend the cycle to 12 weeks and weeks 9-12 take winnny oral thing is beacouse its my first cycle i dont want to add so many compunds i was wiling to add eq for reasons it will make me look more lean and cut then deca i would love to use d-bol to give the cycle a kick start but im worried i am a bit to chubby at the moment. But i think to my self i am going to be eating very clean watching wat i eat and drink very closley wat do youse think like i said im not in a huge rush and want to cover all the options.

Run the test at 500 mgs/wk and the EQ at 500 mgs/wk. Great first cycle. I would run it for at least 12 weeks.

 

[nicpanek]

yer i understand bout the eq thanks rakasha681 do you think having a 14 week cycle is ok for my first? wat bout this cycle
test e 500mg 1-12 split shots
d-bol 30mg 1-4
winny oral 9-12





or do i go
test e 500mg1-14 split shots
eq 400mg 1-14

i know i keep changing my mind but i wanna figure out wats best for me i am in no rush to start this cycle well i wanna start but ill wait till i am 100% happy to start

 

[solidspine]

Try 500 Test E per week
& 500 EQ per week

Anti-E - AIFM, Nolvadex, Liquidex

PCT - HCG, Nolvadex, Clomid.

 

[OMEGA]

Tes at 500 is best

dont OVER do your AI usage though ( imo one of the biggest mistakes)

take only enough to limit sides IF they even creep up

 

[nicpanek]

well i was thinking i wont even use a1 through out the cycle unless i see sides starting to happen othere wise i will just do a normal PCT good idea?

 

[nicpanek]

well i was thinking i wont even use a1 through out the cycle unless i see sides starting to happen othere wise i will just do a normal PCT good idea?

 

[GetBig10]

Total BS on the EQ.


Test is best espically for a first cycle. As many have and will say just do 500mg test for 10 weeks and also propper PCT.

you got rocked by rakasha...well done rakasha

 

[GetBig10]

you got rocked by rakasha...well done rakasha

bro stick to a

Test E or C 500mg/weekly for 10-12 weeks
Pct:
armidex,nolva,clmoid

and your good 2 go...

for ur second cycle run eq with test..n more details but thats when you want to know about ur second cycle

 

[GymIntensity]

Total BS on the EQ.


.

I guess that is why your shit is blacked out cuz you know so much? Dont say something is bullshit if you dont know what the hell you are talking about or have anything to back it up. Congrats on the G-bomb.

 

[rakasha681]

yer i understand bout the eq thanks rakasha681 do you think having a 14 week cycle is ok for my first? wat bout this cycle
test e 500mg 1-12 split shots
d-bol 30mg 1-4
winny oral 9-12

or do i go
test e 500mg1-14 split shots
eq 400mg 1-14

i know i keep changing my mind but i wanna figure out wats best for me i am in no rush to start this cycle well i wanna start but ill wait till i am 100% happy to start

Its good to change your mind, it means your making an informed choice. You may pick one thing, and then read something that makes you change your mind, nothing wrong with that.

I would go with what everyone else is saying, stick with the test 500mg for 10-12wks for your first cycle. You have no clue how your body is going to react to all these different chemicals, so its best to start one at a time, that way, if you have problems, you will know the culprate.

Then, once you recover, and are ready for round 2, you can start tossing in something else, like EQ or Deca.

The only "option" for your first, is you can toss in the dbol for the first 4 wks if you want, but def stay on top of the AI, dbol loves bloat.

 

[nicpanek]

yer i think im going to do test e 500mg 250 on mon and 250 on thurs wif 2 pumps of aifm do u think i can some how slim down in the tummy region on test e with a clean diet and cardio beacouse i know alot of people that have got bloat from test e

 

[rakasha681]

yer i think im going to do test e 500mg 250 on mon and 250 on thurs wif 2 pumps of aifm do u think i can some how slim down in the tummy region on test e with a clean diet and cardio beacouse i know alot of people that have got bloat from test e

That is mostly dependant on diet and cardio. The "bloat" wont really affect slimming down your waist, since bloat isnt fat, its water, and when you come off cycle, you will drop the water. If you are worried about bloat, you can also toss in 50mg of proviron ED, and that will help(i love proviron, its in every cycle) ... and if your REALLY worried about it, you can use nolvadex at 20mg ED while on, but that will definitely limit your gains. There is no way to "spot reduce" fat, so if you do cardio, it burns the fat fairly uniformly from your body for most people. But we all know fat doesnt build up uniformly in the same way... so if you stick with the cardio, you will burn fat from the rest of your body noticably, and when theres not much left everywhere else, the waist will start to go down too. At that point, you can also try some YES, i hear it works great for alot of people. So basically, stay on top of your diet, and cardio, and you should be fine.

 

[ForemanRules]

You cant just say "Toal BS on the EQ" and not give anything to back it up.. since you bolded the part about EQ needing to be run for at least 14 weeks

My opinion son, after running 20+ cycles that is my conclusion.

 

[Cauliflower Ear]

bro if you are overweight...than you just need to get that in check before you ever start the gear...you as a new guy to the gear...should not have to make choices like..."i dont want to take deca because i am already fat"....get your body fat down to 10% so you have the option to take almost whatever...i understand not wanting to run deca...i wont cause i donnt like to bloat and i like seeing my abs....but i am a good weight and want to stay here cause I'm a fighter with a weight class...The best first cycle is test e or c as the bros have said...and everyone has givin you good advice...i would say...
1)get body fat down to 10%
2) run 500mg of test e split into 2 shots with 1 pump aifm ed
3) hcg 500mg mwf 1 week before your last shot and two weeks after.
4) then nolva and clomid at 20mg and 50mg respectivly for 3 more weeks