First Cycle Then and Now-What Happened???

[Texas Ranger]

I was speaking to a NPC bodybuilder that competes in the region. He's 38-40 years old and smokes most guys half his age. He had the opportunity to train with Lee Haney, Robby Robinson, and Lee Labrada. He shared some personal experiences of his own and other guys that he knows. he said back in the 1980's most guys took 200-250mgs of Test and gained 20-25lbs on their FIRST cycle. He said a pretty big stack was 200mgs of Test, 200mgs of Deca, and 25mgs of Dbol!!! I told him about the doses guys prescribe now for a first cycle and he almost died!!! He said he believe it or not, MOST pros and aspiring pros off season cycles would be Test@400-600mgs, Deca@400mgs, and Dbol@30-40mgs a day. Maybe some real Parabolan was thrown in for good measure. This is some guy's FIRST cycle!!! He was REALLY blown away at the doses some guys use for a first or second cycle. He said NO ONE needs this much starting out to receive great gains. My question is this, "What happened between then and now?" Why the big hike in doses in the last 20 years???

 

[muscleup]

Well it just the same ole attiude of "more is better" and not all people respond to gear in the same way....I do tend to believe that Test is dose dependant...Thats my opinion though..

 

[Texas Ranger]

You have to admit, even though the pros today are MUCH larger. They level of musclarity the guys from the 70's and 80's achieved was AWESOME!!! Guys like Arnold, Zane, Nubret, Sergio, Haney, and Gaspari. They probably used a fraction of the gear guys use now.

 

[muscleup]

You have to admit, even though the pros today are MUCH larger. They level of musclarity the guys from the 70's and 80's achieved was AWESOME!!! Guys like Arnold, Zane, Nubret, Sergio, Haney, and Gaspari. They probably used a fraction of the gear guys use now.

I agree

 

[genarr3]

The reason for the mega doses you see here is steroids are cheaper and far more available. Late 80's early 90's it wasn't so easy to get gear. There was no internet, and you sure as hell didn't have the selection you guys have before you. So people couldn't stack 4 - 5 different compounds, they couldn't get them. But guys still got big. They did it through hard training and disciplined diet.
Now alot more idiots are using them, most trying to compensate for lack of time in the gym or poor eating and training habits. It's sad.

 

[Texas Ranger]

True.

 

[Texas Ranger]

Genarr, I don't know about that lack of gear statement. Gear was supposed to be readily available at any gym in the US. It was just like getting a protein shake. Up until 1990 when the Steroid Act was passed and put the clamps on everything.