First cycle test only: Prop or Enanthate?

[azboss]

Hey guys, I have been doing a little research and I am just wondering if i am on the right track for my first cycle. Please correct me and offer advice as you please.

My stats are age: 23 165lbs 10% body fat

1-10 300mg/prop (100mg EOD) - will 300mg be enough to see gains?
10-14 PCT - clomid

What has got me questioning prop is the after injection pain. I have a bunch of friends who all say the after injection pains are sometimes so severe that they had to take 3 days off work etc and that is just not practical. This happened to them even after they pre heated the vial, and massaged the area after injection.
My friend recently said he did 200mg of prop for his first injection and hasnt been able to walk for 3 days (was this because 200 would have been too much or are his muscles just getting use to it?) How many injections will it take to get use to propionate?

Another cycle I was looking at was test enanthate.

1-10 500mg (250mg Mon and Thurs)
10-14 PCT - clomid

I guess my question with this one is - what type of post injection pain will this cause, I cannot afford to be sitting around being unable to work. What is enanthate in comparison to prop?


Any help would be appreciated!

If this thread has already been started elsewhere can you please link me - I have searched as much as I can.

 

[wiley79]

500mg of test-e, 250mg twice a week, if your gear is clean the pin is pain free.

 

[C0LUMB0]

E for less pinning on your first cycle.

 

[jcb_phlps]

Go with test E bro you'll love it. Just dont get discouraged in the first couple of weeks it will take a little to kick in. Good Luck.

 

[OSUBEAVERS]

I a mcurrently on test e and loving it. It took almost 5.5 weeks to really know I was on but my size difference is crazy.

 

[zedhed]

If you havent bought it yet check out Deconate. You want smooth and painless? Nothing beats it bro.

 

[goin on 4T]

500mg of test-e, 250mg twice a week, if your gear is clean the pin is pain free.

Umm first cycle he does not need 500mg per week, but thank you for your input.
clean gear does not equal a pain free pin. esp if its E...

 

[goin on 4T]

I did prop for my first cycle. Some people get horible pain from it and the pain will last 2-3 days. If you do choose prop and its painfull go to the store and get some grapeseed oil, filter it and add the same amount of gs to the barrel as you added ml of prop. So if your prop is 100mg/ml you will add 1ml to, equal your 100mg shot,the barrel and then add 1ml of gs oil. You will never get another knot in your ass again if you follow this rule.
Test E is great because you can pin one time per week, however for steady hormones you are better off taking it twice per week. You will retain more water from the E than from prop. Prop you will notice with in the first week, e takes 3 weeks for it to start to be noticed, so you can run short prop cycles 4-8 weeks and the e should be 12 week cycles.
What is your PCT?
Do you have all of your PCT on hand before you take you first shot?
If not why?
GL

 

[BBBBig Phenom]

enanthate

 

[azboss]

Thanks for the advice I am taking everything on board before I jump into this.

aswell as an A.I is likely needed while using ethanthate due to the water retention

I havnt looked up an AI yet. any recommendations? Will I be able to keep the water retention down with cardio/sauna/drinking water? I read your post on your deca/tren and your retention. How did you go with that?

 

[azboss]

Sorry about the double post but i was getting an error saying there was links in my post :S

If you havent bought it yet check out Deconate. You want smooth and painless? Nothing beats it bro.

What is everyone's opinions on deca? i was told to stack deca with something else, but I do not want to stack first cycle, I just want test only. If I was to take deca, at what mg would be recommended a week? I read that I would only need to inject once a week?

Umm first cycle he does not need 500mg per week, but thank you for your input.
clean gear does not equal a pain free pin. esp if its E...
What is your pct?
Do you have all of your pct on hand before you take you first shot?
If not why?

How many mg will I need for my first cycle to see some decent gains?
I don't mind having a bit of a cork, but from what I have heard i dont want to be limping around in pain for 3 days so when you say its not always a pain free pin - what are you referring to? the injection, or the gear that causes the pain?

My pct I was looking at was clomid/nolva but I am unsure on how much I would need just in case something happens during and for my pct. (I will need to do a little more research) I was looking at forma stanzol is this oral or injected?- I was reading this "very-best-pct-2010-right-here-" from this forum and now I am sitting here wondering about clomid and nolva... any advice? That thread seems to be loaded with so many different things that I may not be able to get my hands on so at the moment seems impractical. I was also told to take 50mg a day for 3 days if anything was beginning to become out of control (acne etc) is this the right advice?

I understand that E over prop will take longer to see results, but time isnt an issue. Thanks again for all the info I love this place!

 

[ALIN]

Hey guys, I have been doing a little research and I am just wondering if i am on the right track for my first cycle. Please correct me and offer advice as you please.

My stats are age: 23 165lbs 10% body fat

1-10 300mg/prop (100mg EOD) - will 300mg be enough to see gains?
10-14 PCT - clomid

What has got me questioning prop is the after injection pain. I have a bunch of friends who all say the after injection pains are sometimes so severe that they had to take 3 days off work etc and that is just not practical. This happened to them even after they pre heated the vial, and massaged the area after injection.
My friend recently said he did 200mg of prop for his first injection and hasnt been able to walk for 3 days (was this because 200 would have been too much or are his muscles just getting use to it?) How many injections will it take to get use to propionate?

Another cycle I was looking at was test enanthate.

1-10 500mg (250mg Mon and Thurs)
10-14 PCT - clomid

I guess my question with this one is - what type of post injection pain will this cause, I cannot afford to be sitting around being unable to work. What is enanthate in comparison to prop?


Any help would be appreciated!

If this thread has already been started elsewhere can you please link me - I have searched as much as I can.

I would go with the TEST ENAN since your new. With TEST PROP you will need at least EOD
injections and that could get tiresome and painful for the new comers.

 

[Starlight]

Sorry about the double post but i was getting an error saying there was links in my post :S



What is everyone's opinions on deca? i was told to stack deca with something else, but I do not want to stack first cycle, I just want test only. If I was to take deca, at what mg would be recommended a week? I read that I would only need to inject once a week?



How many mg will I need for my first cycle to see some decent gains?
I don't mind having a bit of a cork, but from what I have heard i dont want to be limping around in pain for 3 days so when you say its not always a pain free pin - what are you referring to? the injection, or the gear that causes the pain?

My pct I was looking at was clomid/nolva but I am unsure on how much I would need just in case something happens during and for my pct. (I will need to do a little more research) I was looking at forma stanzol is this oral or injected?- I was reading this "very-best-pct-2010-right-here-" from this forum and now I am sitting here wondering about clomid and nolva... any advice? That thread seems to be loaded with so many different things that I may not be able to get my hands on so at the moment seems impractical. I was also told to take 50mg a day for 3 days if anything was beginning to become out of control (acne etc) is this the right advice?

I understand that E over prop will take longer to see results, but time isnt an issue. Thanks again for all the info I love this place!

forma stanzol is a topical cream that is absorbed through the skin .

 

[goin on 4T]

If this is your first cycle just do test. Don't complicate things or play around with your hormones too much the first time.
Get an understanding of what adding test really does to your body. Deca is not needed, and is irrelevant as far as pain. In reffering to juice we are always talking about pain after the inject, the shorter ester have a higher incedence of "crashing" in the body(IMO). The oil is displaced or absorbed into the body quicker than the the crystilyn structure is broken down and hence the pain.
I would run EOD at the very least with prop. 75mg EOD is pleanty and you will do well. As far as AI you shouldn't need on while on. However, you could get forma stanolo and use that from first inject into pct. Then in pct run HCGenerate

Sorry about the double post but i was getting an error saying there was links in my post :S



What is everyone's opinions on deca? i was told to stack deca with something else, but I do not want to stack first cycle, I just want test only. If I was to take deca, at what mg would be recommended a week? I read that I would only need to inject once a week?



How many mg will I need for my first cycle to see some decent gains?
I don't mind having a bit of a cork, but from what I have heard i dont want to be limping around in pain for 3 days so when you say its not always a pain free pin - what are you referring to? the injection, or the gear that causes the pain?

My pct I was looking at was clomid/nolva but I am unsure on how much I would need just in case something happens during and for my pct. (I will need to do a little more research) I was looking at forma stanzol is this oral or injected?- I was reading this "very-best-pct-2010-right-here-" from this forum and now I am sitting here wondering about clomid and nolva... any advice? That thread seems to be loaded with so many different things that I may not be able to get my hands on so at the moment seems impractical. I was also told to take 50mg a day for 3 days if anything was beginning to become out of control (acne etc) is this the right advice?

I understand that E over prop will take longer to see results, but time isnt an issue. Thanks again for all the info I love this place!