First Cycle: Test E + Mast, Critique Please!

[Tri604]

Hi,

I am a highly active guy, weightlifting for 5+ years, triathlete, work as a Aquatic First Aid Instructor.

Stats:
Age: 28
Height: 6'0"
Weight: 165
Body Fat: ~12-13%

I just started my first cycle about 4 days ago after purchasing off one of my gym mentors, he recommended the following cycle.

10 Week Cycle
Testosterone Enanthate @ 300mg (1cc) Week
Masteron Propionate @ 100mg (1cc) Week ---> for Dryness and lowering estrogenic side effects, apparently.
Pin Monday/Thursday
25G Pin

PCT
Clomid 30 Days
HCG after the first week of PCT, 3 shots

Goals
Gain 10-15lbs of lean mass

A few questions that I could use some help with!

1. Is the above weekly a strong cycle enough, or should I increase the dose to achieve desired results? I would happily go up to 500MG Test-E but I'm not sure if thats necessarily considering the Masteron is also in the cycle.

2. I was told 1cc of Test-E + 1cc of Masteron weekly will provide the same muscle growth as 2cc of Test-E weekly. Is this correct? I really can't find much in regards to how Testosterone compares to Masteron.

Any help would be greatly appreciated, as I take my fitness seriously and I want to do this right the first time!

 

[Saiyan7]

Hi,

I am a highly active guy, weightlifting for 5+ years, triathlete, work as a Aquatic First Aid Instructor.

Stats:
Age: 28
Height: 6'0"
Weight: 165
Body Fat: ~12-13%

I just started my first cycle a week ago after purchasing off one of my gym mentors, he recommended the following cycle.

10 Week Cycle
Testosterone Enanthate @ 300mg (1cc) Week
Masteron Propionate @ 100mg (1cc) Week
Pin Monday/Thursday
25G Pin

Goals
Gain 10-15lbs of lean mass

A few questions that I could use some help with!

1. Is the above weekly a strong cycle enough, or should I increase the dose to achieve desired results? I would happily go up to 500MG Test-E but I'm not sure if thats necessarily considering the Masteron is also in the cycle.

2. I was told 1cc of Test-E + 1cc of Masteron weekly will provide the same muscle growth as 2cc of Test-E weekly. Is this correct? I really can't find much in regards to how Testosterone compares to Masteron.

Any help would be greatly appreciated, as I take my fitness seriously and I want to do this right the first time!

Ok. I think this needs help. 100mg of mast prop will not help. Prop needs to be injected eod at the least. Prop has an extremely short half life. So most of the week it won't even be in your system. And mast needs to be quite a bit higher than 100. I'd say like 400mg minimum.

Test only should be your first cycle. 300 is a little low. 400-500 would be great. Separate it to two pins a week.

Do you have your on cycle and post cycle set up.

 

[SwollenMember_18]

Ok. I think this needs help. 100mg of mast prop will not help. Prop needs to be injected eod at the least. Prop has an extremely short half life. So most of the week it won't even be in your system. And mast needs to be quite a bit higher than 100. I'd say like 400mg minimum.

Test only should be your first cycle. 300 is a little low. 400-500 would be great. Separate it to two pins a week.

Do you have your on cycle and post cycle set up.

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On a second note I think for your goals mast is a total waste of money, IMO mast is really only necessary to really clean up the end of a cutter cycle to get the coveted grainy shredz that you need to step on stage

I would drop the mast completely as its counter productive to what your looking to achieve, and save it for another time and just run the test at 500mg/week, eat like a beast and train hard you'll have no problem making 10-15 pounds of gains

 

[Tri604]

Ok. I think this needs help. 100mg of mast prop will not help. Prop needs to be injected eod at the least. Prop has an extremely short half life. So most of the week it won't even be in your system. And mast needs to be quite a bit higher than 100. I'd say like 400mg minimum.

Test only should be your first cycle. 300 is a little low. 400-500 would be great. Separate it to two pins a week.

Do you have your on cycle and post cycle set up.

Hi, thank you!

My guy told me me running Masteron would help give me a drier look and avoid estrogenic side effects.

Yes I have a the following PCT.

PCT
Clomid 30 Days
HCG after the first week of PCT, 3 shots

My questions for you, if you wouldn't mind answering.

1) Should I be using HcG on cycle or not until after?

2) Do I need an aromatase inhibitor on cycle?

3) Does the comment about Masteron make any sense?

Otherwise, I would like to switch to 400MG test, that sounds great.

 

[SwollenMember_18]

Hi, thank you!



My guy told me me running Masteron would help give me a drier look and avoid estrogenic side effects.



Yes I have a the following PCT.



PCT

Clomid 30 Days

HCG after the first week of PCT, 3 shots



My questions for you, if you wouldn't mind answering.



1) Should I be using HcG on cycle or not until after?



2) Do I need an aromatase inhibitor on cycle?



3) Does the comment about Masteron make any sense?



Otherwise, I would like to switch to 400MG test, that sounds great.

I'll let saiyan advise you on the hcg

I would use a low dose AI instead of the mast to avoid estro sides, or ou may not need anything but better safe than sorry. Either Adex or aromasin, Adex maybe dosed at .25mg eod, or aromasin dosed at 6.25mg Ed or eod

Your mast comment is true yes it provides a drier look and does counter estro, but only with the right body composition in play...but if your looking to gain some mass than you cant be worried about being a little bit soft for a while, from what I've seen and heard mast is really only beneficial once you are sub 10% bodyfat, some guys even say lower, to realllllly enhance the muscle seperation and striations and cuts/vascularity. It's not a great drug for adding size and strength, the test alone will do that for you

My .02$

 

[Saiyan7]

Hi, thank you!



My guy told me me running Masteron would help give me a drier look and avoid estrogenic side effects.



Yes I have a the following PCT.



PCT

Clomid 30 Days

HCG after the first week of PCT, 3 shots



My questions for you, if you wouldn't mind answering.



1) Should I be using HcG on cycle or not until after?



2) Do I need an aromatase inhibitor on cycle?



3) Does the comment about Masteron make any sense?



Otherwise, I would like to switch to 400MG test, that sounds great.

Swollen hit it pretty good on mast and the AI. I don't feel safe without an AI.

I would not use HCG for the full cycle or in pct. If you are set on using HCG. Use it the last two weeks on cycle and the two weeks between your last test shot and pct. that gives you four weeks to kickstart with HCG.

I would suggest adding some nolva to your pct as well. Clomid/nolva at 4 weeks
Clomid
50/50/25/25
Nolva
40/40/20/20
That's a standard pct.
any other questions go ahead and post up and we'll give a hand.

 

[RADAR]

Swollen hit it pretty good on mast and the AI. I don't feel safe without an AI.

I would not use HCG for the full cycle or in pct. If you are set on using HCG. Use it the last two weeks on cycle and the two weeks between your last test shot and pct. that gives you four weeks to kickstart with HCG.

I would suggest adding some nolva to your pct as well. Clomid/nolva at 4 weeks
Clomid
50/50/25/25
Nolva
40/40/20/20
That's a standard pct.
any other questions go ahead and post up and we'll give a hand.

There you have it, excellent advice from some of our very knowlegeable members, since this is your first cycle i would save the mast and just run 500mg of test, yes masteron does provide a drier look but its best after you've had some cycle experience along with a good foundation. It is excellent for competing running along with a few other compounds.to make it shine mast need to be ran at least 400mgs.

 

[Tri604]

Thanks for the all the responses guys. After doing a lot of research over the last few days, and taking the above advice, I have changed my current cycle:

10 Week cycle

Weeks 1-10: Testosterone Enanthate @ 400mg
Weeks 2-10: Arimidex @ 0.25mg EOD
Pin Monday/Thursday
25G Pin

PCT
Clomid
Weeks 11-15: 50/50/25/25

Goals
Gain 10-15lbs of lean mass
Stay Lean and Athletic

 

[Saiyan7]

If you can, do a 12 weeks test cycle. It will make a difference.

 

[SwollenMember_18]

If you can, do a 12 weeks test cycle. It will make a difference.

Yep

Everything else looks good mate!!

Happy to see when the rare person actually thinks things through, does their research, and adheres to the advice given!!

Hyped for ya man, have a blast!! (Literally) haha... Keep us up to date or feel free to ask any questions during your run! We are her to help!!