first cycle ?s

[porkher]

at 6'1", 205lbs, and 10% bf i am looking for a good mass building cycle with good muscle retention.
my cycle- 30mg russian dianabol - weeks 1-5, 250mg organon sustanon - weeks 1-8, and deca weeks 5-8. i will be using HCG and clomid and have proviron just in case.

my questions- i am eating like a horse and have gained 10 lbs the first week but- how long does it take for the dbol to kick in? i dont "feel" anything and im not stronger yet. should these pills taste sweet?

should i follow up my cycle with something else to help me keep my gains? maybe winstrol 25mg ed?? if so, how much and how long?

thanks for the help!

 

[HONSZ]

Dbols should taste bitter !!!! Can take up to 10 days till they kick in but if you got Fakes,they will never....
Greetz

 

[TEST0STER0NE]

Well it would be good to bump the Sust up to 500, don't worry you won't die! Deca to 300. and Dbol 35 for the full 5-6 weeks, don't bother tapering. Forget the winny 25 EOD won't do shit. Hope that helps. And if they are the small white Russian they should taste bitter when you crush them in your mouth.
~~~~>Test.

 

[MadCow1]

Any human on their first cycle will gain a lot with 30mg of dbol daily. Minimum dose is and always has been stated at 15mg. 20-25mg is plenty for a first cycle (stack no less) and 30 is as high as possibly needed even if your receptors are shit. Dbol takes 3-5 days ussually but def. by 10. I can't comment on the sugur unless you know what type you have although I've never heard of it (something is making you gain though - unless you are eating like a pig). You should also taper the dbol gradually and not go cold turkey from 30mg to 0mg. Go down to 10mg ED before dropping it.

Deca needs to be run longer (3 weeks (week 5-8 is listed) is a waste as it will have a minimal effect on your cycle and just prolong HPTA recovery) - either drop it, get more, or if necessary use it earlier like now as it takes 3 weeks to really begin working (dose isn't listed - is it 200? weekly which will work well when stacked).

A newbie on 250mg sust stacked will be fine. If alone, some guys need 500 but with dbol and deca in there you will not be left wanting.

You have more than enough to make very significant gains. The only thing wrong is the deca regimen.

 

[eric88]

my russians always tasted kinda starchy.

 

[TEST0STER0NE]

There is no evidence showing adverse effects when dbol is not tapered. There is no need to taper. Not all the 30mg is absobed at once, it is slowly broken down and enters the bloodstream, so your body is already tapering it through out the day.
And 250 is a waste of time and gear, bump it up to 500 like I said before, much of it is lost, and leaves with urine. Hit the Deca at 400. Drag all this for 10 weeks.
~~~~>Test.

 

[genarr3]

What MadCow1 said.

 

[69Muscle]

Word on madcow

 

[MadCow1]

There is no evidence showing adverse effects when dbol is not tapered. There is no need to taper. Not all the 30mg is absobed at once, it is slowly broken down and enters the bloodstream, so your body is already tapering it through out the day.
And 250 is a waste of time and gear, bump it up to 500 like I said before, much of it is lost, and leaves with urine. Hit the Deca at 400. Drag all this for 10 weeks.
~~~~>Test.

Dbol a 1 day taper = crash.

It is the people who use 30mg and go straight to zero that bitch so much about losing gains when using dbol alone. This should be evidence in itself (look at all the posts where people complain about not retaining gains - not one of these people gradually reduced the dosage). Dbol was the drug that produced the tapering theory (which is grossly misapplied although very valid for this substance).

Many first time cycles (and 2nd,3rd,4th providing they aren't going the junkie route - rule out most of this board) make very good gains on 250mg of sust or test - many reports of 15+lbs.

Now if it's combined with dbol (lots of good reports at 20-30mg) or deca (lots of good reports at 200mg weekly for newbs) at dosages of each drug that produces good gains when used alone (by his peer group) - you will most likely gain very well.

Contrary to popular belief, 10 years ago very few people took 1 gram total mgs weekly or stacked 3 drugs on their first cycle. Yet everyone gained a shitload. Human physiology is not changing that fast but availability/cost has been altered greatly.

 

[porkher]

- the dbol are starchy but very bitter when chewed- thanks

- the deca im using is the fast-acting stuff (not sure the name), and im going to shoot 2 vials each week.

what if i did the deca starting on week 4 throughout the cycle, and on week 9, after the sus added winstrol?? how long and how much winstrol should be used? will winny stop deca-dick?

thanks