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First Cycle query

ang.tibay

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Hey everyone, i'm a newbie and i'd appreciate any help from you experts out there.

I'd like to know the best first cycle for me. I'm 37 years old, 150 lbs., 5'7", diet it quite clean and i'm at about 12% bf and i've been training consistently for 2 years. Also, any help with the PCT I should do would be much appreciated. I have a samples of 1st cycles and it's quite confusing already... i'm just desperate for guidance...

thanks for your time...

ang.tibay
 
ang.tibay said:
Hey everyone, i'm a newbie and i'd appreciate any help from you experts out there.

I'd like to know the best first cycle for me. I'm 37 years old, 150 lbs., 5'7", diet it quite clean and i'm at about 12% bf and i've been training consistently for 2 years. Also, any help with the PCT I should do would be much appreciated. I have a samples of 1st cycles and it's quite confusing already... i'm just desperate for guidance...

thanks for your time...

ang.tibay

Keep it simple, first cycle, use test only and only a single estered test. Buy some Test E, 250mg/ml you can shoot it twice a week for total of 500mg, or could do it all at once. Run that for 10-12 weeks with some anti-e's on the side and you'll learn the experiance real quick, and the right way.
 
indy69camaro said:
Keep it simple, first cycle, use test only and only a single estered test. Buy some Test E, 250mg/ml you can shoot it twice a week for total of 500mg, or could do it all at once. Run that for 10-12 weeks with some anti-e's on the side and you'll learn the experiance real quick, and the right way.

Thanks a lot Indy. Should I shoot it every third day? A single estered test would be...? as for the anti e's, nolva alone, clomid alone or both, and how do I load it? Please forgive my ignorance... again, thanks for your time... There's a big possibility that I'll be bugging you guys for some time
 
test enanthate or test cypionate, either are fine and almost identical. have some adex for bloat and nolva for any gyno that pops up, i like to let the estrogen build up a bit for strength, and then use the anti-e's when i have to
 
no do not use nolva after the last injection. you should use .5mg of adex ed with the test so you get on bloat or gyno, i like to play around with it but don't for your first time. keep nolva on hand, if you get a lump in your nip or sore nips take the nolva with the adex till it subsides. now i suggest you go to the pct forum but you should begin taking hcg about 17-21 days after your last shot. then begin nolva after that. i do it differently then others so go into the forum and read up about hcg dosing
 
ok, I'll start reading up on pct, thanks...

one more thing, how does this look to you...

300-400 mg boldenone per week
500 mg of test e / sustanon per week
 
as someone who is currently running his first cycle, i'm starting to think more and more that the first cycle should be short-acting stuff. that way, if anabolics in general or the particular ester you're using (test, typicall, on a first cycle) doesn't suit you, you can stop pretty easily. i mean, i'm LOVING being on the juice right now--but i'm not so sure test E in particular was the right choice for a number of reasons--and yet there's no turning back now.

so i recommend test prop; worries of "turning into a pin cushion" are overblown insofar as with enth or cyp you're going to be injecting every 4 days to keep blood lvls stable, so with prop it's every 2--not a huge difference. and if you're worried about painful injections or infections/abcsesses, well there are always orals, which are, of course, also short-acting. var, tbol, winnie are all good candidates here (non-bloating).

another thing: people talk about a "simple" first cycle of 8 weeks of test E. it ain't so simple. u've got to find pinz, alcohol swabs, nolva, hcg, and probably an anti-aromatase if u don't want to look like a bloated hippo. you'll also need to read up on how to do a proper injection. in other words, you're pretty committed to spending a good sum of change and time--especially as you haven't yet found an inexpensive source yet and are going gung-ho-reliability. (which u will pay dearly for.)

so in sum, i recommend a short, 4-6 weeker with test prop (where u'll need to buy needles and syringes, from a place like getpinz.com) or--even better, i'm thinking as i write this--a cycle consisting of a mild oral like anavar / tbol / winnie for a month or so. put on 5-10 lean lbs, see if u like AAS at all. from there, do a simple nolva pct--sure, it won't be utterly ideal but if it worked for arnold it will be fine for you too. (if u've got hcg, u can of course use it.) THEN, for cycle number two, u can go all out with test and hcg and the anti-aromatizers and sticking yourself in the ass what not. remember with ur first cycle to always keep nolva on hand in case of gyno. keep it simple.
 
500 test e a week, nolv on hand during and for pct, hcg half way through and for pct after...
 
pda you make a good point. I never thought of a first cycle like that before,but most only inject once a week on first a cycle.Not saying it"s right but we know it happens alot.
 
I will also chime in that Test E is the way to go. Get human grade stuff if possible, and given your size, shooting every 4th day (a bit less than 500mg/wk) would be fine. Test and EQ would be a good 2nd or 3rd cycle. (It will be my 4th, actually.)

Run a 8-10 week cycle. Have Nolva on hand in case of gyno. Bloat? Your choice whether you want the anti-e or not. I didn't use it, and I was carrying a good 5-7 pounds of water around, but my joints felt gooood.

Test sides? Not to bad...bloat, acne, cramps, but all very managable and and a lower dose many don't get sides at all. You will also feel good and want to screw all day long. :)

Start PCT two weeks after last shot. Nolva, Nolva and Clomid, or Nolva, HCG and Clomid. I came off 11 weeks, I didn't use HCG and I didn't need it, but your mileage may vary. Research the PCT forum. Your source, if it is a good source, should have Nolva, PCT, Clomid, HCG, and arimidex.

Most important, make sure your diet and routine and dead on point. You don't want to be dicking around with your diet and workout and waste the gear. Check our nutrition and workout forums for some excellent info.

Good luck,


Bluesman
 
i would say go with test enth. 500mg/wk. you can add dbol 30mg/day for the first 4 wks. the test won't kick in for a few weeks. this link will tell you everything there is to know about PTC. you can used a-dex all the way through, some don't but i like to. it keeps me from getting bloated and helps keep the gyno away. you should definantly keep some nolva on hand incase you do get gyno and you will need it for PTC also.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=376177
 
if it's your first cycle, keep it simply my friend. either go with test straight or do a light oral cycle for 4-6 weeks. keep the nolva on hand. see how u like it. if u buy primo for ur first cycle before figuring out the price system around here (which will take at least 1 cycle under your belt before u get any sort of grip on it, UG vs. HG vs. china-direct and what not) you'll go broke, and that's the least of your worries.

also, most woudn't stack primo with winnie. That's like beluga caviar on ritz crackers...
 
thanks bro... it's a bit confusing as i'm trying to digest all the info. don't get me wrong, it's all good, i just want a effective and safe 1st cycle... again, thanks...
 
500 mg or less of test for your first cycle. I used 350 and gained like mad. Dont worry about any other drugs right now, just use test. Bruce410 is right on, i just disagree with his PCT suggestion though, but thats me. I run PCT almost immediatly after my cycle is over, he waits till the esters clear. This is debateable (sp?) and you could go either way. PCT is very important along with anti-estrogens(nolva) and anti-aromatase(arimidex, letro, fermara) so do your research thoroughly. Good luck
 
since it is your first cycle, you have zero experience on how you will react to gear. you need not research any longer as your answers to your questions on cycle design are in this thread. Test E 500mg/wk. inject 2cc every 5days for 10wks. i would add tbol or dbol in for the first 4wks along with adex daily but that is just me. here is my cycle...

test e 500mg/wk 1-10
tbol 50mg ed wk1-4
winny 50mg ed wk9-12
adex 0.5-1mg ed throughout (depending on fluid status)
tylers liver detox daily

PCT: starting day after last winny
HCG 1000IU MWF along with 20mg nolva and 50mg clomid ed for 3wks then continue the nolva/clomid for an additional 2-3wks.
 
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