first cycle (Mr. X, Ulter please read)

[anthony518]

I put together my buddies first cycle. Was going to go with 250mg sust weekly for 12 weeks, with 100 10mg d-bol in the beggining.

instead we decided to go with 300mg cyp a week for 12 weeks, with 20mg d-bol daily for 1 week then 25mg a day for 1 week then 30mg daiiy untill gone.

He is 5'8 165 12-13%bf. not a huge guy but has his diet in check and works out like an animal.

Wants to gain weight and muscle. Not worried too much about cutting

I am going to have him finish out his cycle with clen, through out pct. i have hcg and nolvadex for his pct. Good for a first cycle? Also have amiridex on hand for any problems with estrogen.

 

[25homes]

I would shorten to 8-10 weeks and bump the mg up a little!!

 

[sweed]

i wouldn;t run the clen throughout the pct.

 

[immortalis]

i wouldn;t run the clen throughout the pct.

I personally like running Clen during my PCT. I actually feel like I am still gaining because I am hardening up some. It makes the mental aspect of actually coming off gear a little easier for me because it seems like I fool my mind into thinking I am still making great gains when infact im just getting hard as a rock.

 

[anthony518]

I would shorten to 8-10 weeks and bump the mg up a little!!

Why? I have great gains from just 250mg sust.

i wouldn;t run the clen throughout the pct.

Do you think it will compromise his gains?

 

[anthony518]

?????????

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

Pyramiding dbol is a complete waste. Run it straight at the beginning for 6 weeks. Personally I would up the dosage, 20-30mg/day is nothing..

I would cycle the clen with a 2 week on, 1 week off method.. That always worked great for me! Clen affects everyone different, you might have to do some adjusting to fit your buddies needs..

 

[anthony518]

i got great results from 25mg a day. I don't think I could have taken any bigger pumps.

 

[jmt24]

for a first cycle, i dont even think he would need the dbol. if he's deadset on it, id do it at 25mg ed for the first 4 weeks and the cyp id run for 12 weeks at 250mg-500mg. he should see great gains off something like this. i dont think he needs the clen in this cycle but if he wants to run it, 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off.

 

[Mr.X]

I put together my buddies first cycle. Was going to go with 250mg sust weekly for 12 weeks, with 100 10mg d-bol in the beggining.

instead we decided to go with 300mg cyp a week for 12 weeks, with 20mg d-bol daily for 1 week then 25mg a day for 1 week then 30mg daiiy untill gone.

He is 5'8 165 12-13%bf. not a huge guy but has his diet in check and works out like an animal.

Wants to gain weight and muscle. Not worried too much about cutting

I am going to have him finish out his cycle with clen, through out pct. i have hcg and nolvadex for his pct. Good for a first cycle? Also have amiridex on hand for any problems with estrogen.

400mgs cyp/wk 1-12
20mgs dbol ED/ wk 1-6
.5mgs arimidex ED/ wk 1-12 (can bump to 1mg)

keep nolvadex on hand

PCT:
you can either run nolva + clomid or just HCG + nolvadex, IMO the clomid run would be plenty.

There is no need to ramp the dbol.

 

[anthony518]

thanks mr.x and only mr.x. I'll see if he wants to up the cyp. Just clomid nolva for pct? I have a shit load of hcg, might as well use it?????

 

[Mr.X]

thanks mr.x and only mr.x. I'll see if he wants to up the cyp. Just clomid nolva for pct? I have a shit load of hcg, might as well use it?????

You can use the HCG if you want. 500IUs for 10 days will be plenty IMO.