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First Cycle Help

homingpigeon

homingpigeon

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Hello everyone.

I have been researching and planning my first cycle for some time. I have come to this site on the recommendation of a close friend and I must say this community is great. I would really appreciate some help with my first cycle and diet plan.

Here is a little about me...

I am a career firefighter therefore I am subject to an occupational drug screening every week. As far as I can tell, they do not test for any anabolic steroids. But I need to steer clear of anything that would flag an illegal recreational drug screening. And it would be best to maintain a discrete body image. ie. visible pinning marks and bruising.

--33yr male
--6'2.5''
--212.2lbs
--184.3lbs lean mass (according to BodPod)
--13-14% body fat
--2300-2400 kcal/day rest days are no more then 2000kcal/day
--caloric ratio of carbs/fat/protein is 25/35/40 with 250g protein/day
--when I start my first cycle I will be changing my diet to 4400-4600 kcal/day while maintaining the same caloric ratio. This amount accounts for my basal metabolic rate plus a very active workout profile.
--my overall cholesterol is 203 with triglyceride, ldl, and hdl ratios all being acceptable.

My goal is to gain more strength and lean mass without gaining much fat. For the last 3 years of lifting I have hit a wall. My hope is that this cycle, if done right, can propel me to more strength and better tone.

I have decided I am going to run a test only cycle (unless someone can talk to into a jump start of some sort). I have time...I don't need to see results immediately...I can wait a few weeks into the cycle to see gains especially if it is best for the long term of achieving and maintaining my gains.

I don't think I'll have a problem pinning myself. After all, I do administer IVs daily.

All of your help and suggestion is welcome. I'll Update my cycle below as you guys help. Thanks in advance!

Proposed Cycle (Beginner Testosterone Enanthate):
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Week 1-18: N2Gaurd vitamin supplement as directed (do I need to take N2Gaurd during pct?
Week 1: test E 250mg (Sunday/Thursday), Epitiostanol 40mg (daily)
Week 2: test E 250mg (Sunday/Thursday), Epitiostanol 40mg (daily)
Week 3: test E 250mg (Sunday/Thursday), Epitiostanol 40mg (daily)
Week 4: test E 250mg (Sunday/Thursday), Epitiostanol 40mg (daily)
Week 5: test E 250mg (Sunday/Thursday), Epitiostanol 40mg (daily), HCGenerate (daily), Aromasin 12.5mg (every other day)
Week 6: test E 250mg (Sunday/Thursday), Epitiostanol 40mg (daily), HCGenerate (daily), Aromasin 12.5mg (every other day)
Week 7: test E 250mg (Sunday/Thursday), HCGenerate (daily), Aromasin 12.5mg (every other day)
Week 8: test E 250mg (Sunday/Thursday), HCGenerate (daily), Aromasin 12.5mg (every other day)
Week 9: test E 250mg (Sunday/Thursday), HCGenerate (daily), Aromasin 12.5mg (every other day)
Week 10: test E 250mg (Sunday/Thursday), HCGenerate (daily), Aromasin 12.5mg (every other day)
Week 11: test E 250mg (Sunday/Thursday), HCGenerate (daily), Aromasin 12.5mg (every other day)
Week 12: test E 250mg (Sunday/Thursday), HCGenerate (daily), Aromasin 12.5mg (every other day)
Week 13: None
Week 14: (starting Thursday) 25mg Clomid (daily), Unleashed/Post Cycle, Forma-Stanzol (5 pumps morning and night, daily), 3g D-Aspartic Acid (daily)
Week 15: 25mg Clomid (daily), Unleashed/Post Cycle, Forma-Stanzol (5 pumps morning and night, daily), 3g D-Aspartic Acid (daily)
Week 16: 25mg Clomid (daily), Unleashed/Post Cycle, Forma-Stanzol (5 pumps morning and night, daily), 3g D-Aspartic Acid (daily)
Week 17: 25mg Clomid (daily), Unleashed/Post Cycle, Forma-Stanzol (5 pumps morning and night, daily), 3g D-Aspartic Acid (daily)
Week 18: (ending Thursday) 25mg Clomid (daily), Unleashed/Post Cycle, Forma-Stanzol (5 pumps morning and night, daily)
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Test E 250mg twice a week 12weeks
Hcgenerate weeks 5-12
Aromasin 12.5mg eod weeks 5-12
Or earlier if you start noticing bloat etc

PCT 2weeks after last pin
Clomid
Unleashed
Post cycle
Forma 10pumps a day split Am and PM

Run PCT for 4 weeks

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I would also include DAA in pct.

There are a couple things you could kickstart with, but it really depends on your goal.

Tbol and anavar are what it sounds like would suit you best, as dbol and abombs are harsh and bloat you full of water.

You don't really need a kickstart with your first cycle, but I would at least up my clean cals a little while on cycle if I were you. 2000 is cutting it close, especially on days you have several calls.

I'm a firefighter as well for a large municipality and there are some days we get back to back calls and I sweat my ass off in bunker gear for hours on end

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Also, consider epi. Nice clean gains and very keepable. Good strength boost also

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stevesmi said:
but what specifically is your question OP ? you should read the stickies and you will learn a lot
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I have read most of the stickies. Especially the Steroid 101 sticky. Very informative.

I did my homework before posting and found many starter cycle threads but most, if not all, were suggested for users who were 10-20% lighter then me. The cycle above is fairly similar to those. I gather starting size doesn't really matter in dosage, duration or pct?

Also, my goals are not body building competitive type goals. Ideally I would like to run a cycle, pct then maintain my gains for a few months before cutting fat down to 8-10% before next summer.

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Everybody here is dead on! Id def add some daa with some ntkts mix together.

As far as testing goes no they really dont TRUST no one! If someone mentions it you will be. Steroid is a blood test. Your regular pee test would be fine. In some cases they will send you on a lipid panel this could flag ah little bc liver values might be high but no the less nothing that will say pos. for roids.

Likewise Id like to add some N2guard to this cycle to help with blood pressure and liver support.

Also krill oil for cholesterol and I always take extra vit.c aside from my multi vit to help with corizol levels.

In pct I would run lean extreme or n2slin for a cortizol pct
 
No your size will not make any difference.. your diet will be the main factor to your gains..

Some people run the same cycle for years with more compounds added here and there

PCT should he the same regardless of size
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stevesmi said:
no your size should not matter right now. I always run low dosages myself and I always have a fun cycle run. its gonna come down to your workouts and diet.
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My workouts are fairly intense. I will do a weekly routine with adjusted calories for my cycle.

3600kcals Monday = Push
3600kcals Tuesday = Legs & Abs
3600kcals Wednesday = Pull
3200kcals Thursday = Abs
3600kcals Friday = Push
3600kcals Saturday = Pull
2500kcals Sunday = Rest

I assume you guys mean Epitiostanol when you say epi. I just wanna be sure.

Also, i will make sure and have everything on hand before i start. Just an FYI to anyone who wants to warn me.

Thanks for a all the help guys.
 
NTBM carries epistane 60 that would be a sweet 6 week kickstart. That is the epi we are referring to. It has so many benefits on a test run
 
bigbassturd said:
NTBM carries epistane 60 that would be a sweet 6 week kickstart. That is the epi we are referring to. It has so many benefits on a test run
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I'll add it. Although, as a first time user do you think I could see some of the same benefits with a 4 week run? or do you recommend 6?
 
HomingPigeon said:
I'll add it. Although, as a first time user do you think I could see some of the same benefits with a 4 week run? or do you recommend 6?
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I have never used it but its recommended 6weeks.. and the guys says 6weeks aswell and they definitely won't want to screw you over because its your 1st cycle so they will look out for you..

Its a good family here

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I would say 6 since it really shows effects in week 3 and accelerates through 6.

Another great tool to use is a log. When you are ready, post your full cycle and then keep us updated on your workouts and gains.

No need to worry about that just yet, baby steps bro, but it's something to think about.

I know when I run logs and have questions during my cycle I always get so much help if i've kept everyone informed on where i'm at and how it has gone thus far.
 
Few more questions before I start accumulating the cycle.

Do I have to run N2 Guard all the way through the entire cycle or can I just take while I am on the Epi. I assume that is the only real dosage I need liver support for?

Also, If I want to rotate HCGenerate with hCG what is the proper dosage for hCG on cycle? Lets say something like this...

1-4 HCGenerate
5-8 hCG (dosage?)
9-12 HCGenerate

All the help has been so appreciated.
 
Re: First Cycle Finished/Blood Work

Hello guys. I had my last pin 16 days ago. I had bloodwork done just before I started my PCT. Exactly 15 days after my last pin of 250mg Test E. In those 15 days I blasted 5000iu of HCG. What are some suggestions based on my prePCT bloodwork that you guys have?

So far in the gym ... even into my pct ... I feel great. No strength gains but no losses. I don't have any lethargy or negative feelings. In short gym and life feel great.

Some of my stats have changed. Here is what they are today.

--33yr male
--6'2.5''
--209.6lbs
--188lbs lean mass (according to BodPod)
--10% body fat

Bloodwork:
All of my kidney, liver, cholestorol, and sugar values were great. (thanks NTBM for the supplements. They kept me very healthy througout!)

1092 - Testosterone, Serum (1125 precycle)
0.8 - LH
0.2 - FSH
65.4 - Estradiol (16.8 precycle)

Couple questions regarding my current bloodwork.

My test is much higher then i thought it would be. Pre cycle bloodwork had my test at 1125. Is 15 days after my last pin enough to get it out of my system? Or is my bloodwork still showing that I have some long ester test enanthate remaining?

My estrogen is way to high. I have no signs of gyno my nipples seemed normal during cycle. What would you guys suggest I take and when should I take it? I have liquid letro/aromosin capsules on hand if need be.

My PCT is as stated above.
Clomid 25/25/25/25
Unleashed/Post Cycle
Forma
DAA

Thanks again for all your help.
 
Sounds good. Appreciate the help. Ill repost in 7 weeks with new bloods.

So I shouldnt take the letro to get my Estrogen down?

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