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First Cycle HELP!

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C5Vette

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Hey I am looking to start my first cycle, but I am confused as to what I should get. I want to blow up as much as possible, what is the best gear I can take to help me achieve this? I know, however that I want to use EQ, because I saw some results from it and I loved it, but I want more than what I saw, so please inform me whats going to blow me up really big, really fast?

Stats:
Height: 6'5"
Weight: 180 lbs
Body Fat: 6.5%
Medium Atheletic Build

Please Help Me!
 
Eq 250mg/week and Test cyph or Eth at 250mg/week. Eat like a bloody horse bro...6'5" and 180! You need to eat all the time bro. Get at least 1.5grams of protein per pound of body weight more would probably be better.Train with intensity no more than 4 days per week. The above dose is MORE than enough don't let anyone tell you otherwise!! Even 200 each would work well. "Quadsweep" the voice of reason" kept 20lbs with only 250 of sust on his first cycle.

Do an 11 week cycle. Stop the eq at week ten and the test cyp at week11 cause eq hangs around a week longer than the test. Begin clomid at week 13 at 300 mg day one then 100mg for a few days then 50 mg for another three weeks min.

Actually, I would like to see you get bigger naturally first bro before doing gear. How old are you anyway. If you are that skinny and under 25 then I really do not recommend this cycle at all.



:)
 
oh... have Nolvadex on hand. You may not need it with this cycle but then again you may. If you start feeling ANYTHING at the nipples then start the Nolva at 20 mg per day and stay on it until clomid starts. Clomid is also an anti e, almost identicle to Nolva, so any left over estradiol will be taken care of by clomid.
 
EQ at 250mgs thats WEAK(girls take that much)...bro thats a weak cycle...at least make sure your first cycle is good...not all people grow like weed on low amounts on first cycles...i would do 400-300mgs of eq...if you want to take a low amount take deca at 300-200mgs....the test can be 250-500mgs is fine
 
One more thing....at your height Squats MAY be hard to do due to poor body mechanics. TRY TO SQUAT HEAVY though, but if you bend over too much then use heavy DEEP leg presses, HAMMER equipment is the best. ALSO, get someone to teach you how to do regualr deadlifts and do two sets to failure at 10 reps once per week(after a few lighter non failure sets of 5 reps). Tall guys do way better with deads than with squats but that doesn't mean you should not squat if you can do them safely.
Do some toe raises because at your height and weight the calves are probably small. Upper body ...get into some basic stuff dude.. Dips, Benches , chins and pulldowns with a curl grip, rows, overhead presses. Minimal isolation work!:) You are a classic ectomorph and WILL not grow with a lot of volume and isolation work.
 
Ahhhh! "the voice of reason here:D" Realgains gave you GREAT ADVICE bro. I would do it exactly like he said and if you are under 25 you need to put on more natural "base" muscle like he said.

I am not slamming ultragains here, We just have different opinions but it will be cheaper and a better starting point to go conservative first. You can always bump it up iflike he said if need be. by the way Ultra, what woman do you know that do 250mgs of EQ a week??! They still look like woman? ;)
 
girls can take 200mgs of eq a week up to 250mgs some have done it...they look fine to me...there not huge but built pretty damn good(ripped)..nice bodys:)
 
Quadsweep "The Voice of Reason" has spoken...listen to him dude. The other bro is telling you to do eq 300-400 and test 250-500...thats 550 to 900 mg per week! Too much for a first timer IMO.
The Quad man probably doesn't do much more than 1000mg per week and he is 240 bro and a national level competitor with 10 years of gear experience.
Training, rest, and food are the most important items IMO bro..especially for you.
 
Ultra, I would have to say that I agree with the deca being a little better than the eq at low dose ...although some will disagree, They are pretty much equal in the long run though. Eq will aromatize a little more than Deca, but not much. Ya, I like deca, The Ttokkyo deca is good C5vette, and it gives 300mg/ml as opposed to eq at 200mg/ml. less to inject is always better
:)
 
what..."too much?".....hell no..if you want to juice like a ten year old girl its fine with me....you know how many people have tried EQ at 300-400mgs a week for there first cycle and said it was great....if you take 300-400mgs of eq a weeks with 250-500mgs of test a week that is NOT too much!!.

wks--EQ----TEST
1-----400----500
2-----400----500
3-----400----500
4-----400----500
6-----400----500
7-----300----500
8-----300----250
9-----300----250
10---300---------
OR DO THIS
EQ-300-400mgs/week...deca at 200mgs a week first 3 weeks at 300mgs..test at 250mgs a week is fine or start off at 500mgs then go to 250mgs....OR JUST KEEP THE DECA AT 200mgs.....

DONT TAKE EQ AT 250mgs a week....TAKE DECA INSTEAD...
 
Ultra, a lady on 200-250 of eq per week! Thats a vey big dose bro and I bet they have grown a dick he he he

Most ladies that I know that are hard core do 50-100mg of a short acting nadrolone like durabolin, or a short acting test like prop at the same dose. They are pretty big girls bro! It would be a very bad idea to use the very long acting eq at 200-250 per week. :(
 
and DONT think that every roid book has 100% correct facts in them..if they say 200mgs of EQ is bad for a women i would laugh
 
C5Vette....don't taper the dose at the end...
Tapering makes no sence because even at 100mg per week there is enough androgen in the system utterly inhibit, and the lower dose will do little for gains.

The reason I said to stop the EQ a week before the Test was so you could start clomid two weeks after ending. If you end like I recommended then the eq and test(cyp) will be out of the system at pretty much the same time. It has nothing to do with tapering. The Eq will inhibit up to three weeks after the last shot, and I think that is a long time in "NO MANS LAND" before starting the clomid.

Androgen levels need to fall a little BELOW normal before the system starts to kick in LH.(before the testes start up again) Thats why we wait for a couple of weeks after the last shot to use clomid(depending on the ester of the roid used) And that is why we do not taper anymore.

In the old days there was no clomid so they thought a taper would be good.
:)
 
Koaz&zen...what is wrong with speaking up about a bro!! Quadsweep is the only national level competitor on this board, that will admit it. He gives good advice and has obviously done something correct to get to 5'7" and 240!
You see bro Newbies will listen to top men before they will listen to guys like us, those are main reasons I mention Quadsweep when a newbie pipes up.
:)
 
Yo! C5Vette, if you want to really blow do this cycle(you gain 20-25 lbs):

D-bol 1-5wks@25mgs ed
Eq 1-10wks@600mgs
Sus 1-10wks@600mgs
Clomid 3wks after shot
Arimidex .25ed

This the excat cycle I'm taking and I've gained 10lbs of mass in 2weeks. This shit is the best thing since sliced bread.
 
MAN thats 1350mg per week bro for the first five week and 1200 after. WAY TOO MUCH!! Now that is a waste of money and gear.

:smash:
Save the larger doses for later, and after you have gained 30 lbs at least.

C5Vette were are you bro....you didn't tell me how old you are.:)
 
Yo man I am here. Sorry, went out to get a movie :) I won't reviel my age, but I know i am old enough to take gear, i fit into that catagory. I like what everyone said and its been real helpful. This is the cycle I was thinking about using before but my supplier fell through and got arrested :(

Sust 500mg/week
Dbol 25mg/day
EQ: 500mg/week
Then clomid and nolvadex when the time comes.

What do you guys think of that cycle. I know deca is better at lower rates, but I really like the EQ better, and as for DBOl the stuff works wonders. Give me some insite as to what you think of my cycle.
 
For a first timer at 6'5" and 180lbs that is too much! A waste of money and gear. AND who knows how your own system will react to such doses. AND you don't need the 17aa oral at all yet...if ever:smash: :)
If you do end up doing d-bol do it for only 4-5 weeks and one every five hours.
 
C5Vette said:
Yo man I am here. Sorry, went out to get a movie :) I won't reviel my age, but I know i am old enough to take gear, i fit into that catagory. I like what everyone said and its been real helpful. This is the cycle I was thinking about using before but my supplier fell through and got arrested :(
Sust 500mg/week
Dbol 25mg/day
EQ: 500mg/week
Then clomid and nolvadex when the time comes.
What do you guys think of that cycle. I know deca is better at lower rates, but I really like the EQ better, and as for DBOl the stuff works wonders. Give me some insite as to what you think of my cycle.
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I think this is a good first cycle.
sust 500mgs e/w for weeks 1-10
dbol 25mgs ed for weeks 1-6
eq 500mgs ew weeks 1-10
 
Okay...if you really want to do more than Quadsweep and I recommended then just do Test Cyp at 500mg per week. Forget the sust cause it is a waste of money. There is nothing magical about this ester combo. It is perfect for test replacement but not for the bodybuilder. You will get better blood levels for muscle building purposes with cyp or eth...unless you inject the sust twice per week.
Also, the deconate ester in sust makes it hang around for three weeks post. The cyp is a better choice cause it only hangs around for two weeks....you will feel better if you shorten the recovery as much as possible. One week makes a diff to me.
:)
 
Well, I would be injecting twice a week, and one week to me really doesn't matter. JStrong20 I like that cycle, have you done it yourself? If so how were the gains and how much did you gain and how much did you keep?
 
real, sorry you took my words that way, i was just teasing and actually meant it as a compliment to quadsweep (who's work and opinion i greatly respect)-- as i believe he realized. Peace, bro
but also realize that ultra is an outstanding vet as well, they just subsribe to different dosage theories.

Anyway, Chopper, drop me a line about how everything is going.
 
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