FIRST CYCLE HELP & ADVICE

[partagus]

STATS:
32 year old
5 feet 7 inches
230 lbs
20% body fat

GOALS:
Increase strength, shed some body fat, just get big, not ripped, but big

DIET:
Will consist of three protein shakes a day (each shake is 310 calories, 7.5 g of fat, 8 g of carbs, 64 g of protein) and three solid meals. Examples of solid meals will be turkey and egg whites in the morning with a piece of whole grain bread, meal #2 will be chicken, turkey, fish or steak, all lean cuts, with rice or sweat potato and veggies, and meal #3 will be lean meat and veggies. I plan on adding some oats and cottage cheese in here as well.

TRAINING:
I work out at the gym four days a week and then do a fifth day of push-ups, abs, cardio at home

PROPOSED CYCLE:
Weeks 1-4, 25mg of Dianabol ED
Weeks 1-12 250mg of test enth EW

PCT:
Truly confused here. The more research I do, the more confused I get. At this point, my head is spinning.

My questions-How many calories should I be shooting for in one day? I am guessing 3500-4000, is this enough?
How many grams of protein should I be shooting for in one day? I am guessing 350 grams, is this enough?
For my first cycle, how do the doses look on what I plan on running? Should I run 250 mg or 500 mg of test enth?
What do I need for PCT and how should I run it?
Syringes, what size will I need? I have heard 23g and 25g and 1” to 1.5”. What is recommended? Draw with one size and inject with another?
What am I missing, forgetting, lacking?


Thanks for any and all help.

 

[GUARDIAN]

STATS:
32 year old
5 feet 7 inches
230 lbs
20% body fat

GOALS:
Increase strength, shed some body fat, just get big, not ripped, but big

DIET: drop a shake and replace with real food. use the other 2 as your pre & post workout meals.
Will consist of three protein shakes a day (each shake is 310 calories, 7.5 g of fat, 8 g of carbs, 64 g of protein) and three solid meals. Examples of solid meals will be turkey and egg whites in the morning with a piece of whole grain bread, meal #2 will be chicken, turkey, fish or steak, all lean cuts, with rice or sweat potato and veggies, and meal #3 will be lean meat and veggies. I plan on adding some oats and cottage cheese in here as well.

TRAINING:
I work out at the gym four days a week and then do a fifth day of push-ups, abs, cardio at home

PROPOSED CYCLE:
Weeks 1-4, 25mg of Dianabol ED
Weeks 1-12 250mg of test enth EW

PCT:
Truly confused here. The more research I do, the more confused I get. At this point, my head is spinning.

My questions-How many calories should I be shooting for in one day? I am guessing 3500-4000, is this enough? this should be a good starting point. as you progress use the mirror & tape measure to assess whether u need 2 go up or down with calories.
How many grams of protein should I be shooting for in one day? I am guessing 350 grams, is this enough? plenty
For my first cycle, how do the doses look on what I plan on running? Should I run 250 mg or 500 mg of test enth? 250mg is a great first dose.
What do I need for PCT and how should I run it? u should be able to get away with clomid only for pct. 50mg ed/50mg ed/25mg ed/25mg ed - use this 4 week dose schedule for clomid. start pct 2 weeks after last shot.
Syringes, what size will I need? I have heard 23g and 25g and 1” to 1.5”. 23g 1.5 for glutes and 25g 1" for other body parts will be fine. What is recommended? Draw with one size and inject with another? i personally draw with one needle and change it and inject with a fresh needle. u could get 18g to draw with. makes the drawing go faster.
What am I missing, forgetting, lacking? alcohol pads, AI


Thanks for any and all help.

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[bw1]

BF's a little high, I'd try and knock that down. Post up what a typical days diet looks like. First cycle looks good. I use hcg, nolvadex and clomid for pct, but there is different ways to run pct. I would add some arimidex or aromasin during the cycle. Draw with an 18g, inject with a 25g.

 

[MaxGuevara]

^^^^^

I agree with you.
Anyway,why using Dianabol and test only?It's very androgenic and not much anabolic.Add,if u can,somethin like bold.,deca,anavar or primobolan.

 

[partagus]

Thanks for the help bro's.

As far as an aromatase inhibitor goes, something like Arimidex .5mgs EOD or .25mgs everyday?

At the end of it all, I was going to add in some Sustain Alpha from Primordial Performance. Thanks again for all of the help!

 

[GUARDIAN]

Thanks for the help bro's.

As far as an aromatase inhibitor goes, something like Arimidex .5mgs EOD or .25mgs everyday? this is a good dose for a-dex but i wouldnt run it unless u r prone 2 get gyno or u start seeing symptoms. estrogen is a good thing for bulking and other natural biological processes.

At the end of it all, I was going to add in some Sustain Alpha from Primordial Performance. Thanks again for all of the help!

^^^u r welcome!

 

[advanced-stealth]

Looks good.

 

[OMEGA]

based on what know

250 T is good
but add Primo at 400 a week on that

and do cardio double days every other day at least 3 times a week

 

[partagus]

8and20 and Omega,

Thank you guys so much. I appreciate all of the help you have given me. Not sure if I can get a hold of the primoblan. If I do get it, how do I run it? I know with the test to hit it Monday and Thursday, 125mg per shot, and I know to split up the d-bol through out the day. Thanks again.

Omega,

I am still using phase #1 so I am hitting cardio every day, except leg day.

 

[GUARDIAN]

8and20 and Omega,

Thank you guys so much. I appreciate all of the help you have given me. Not sure if I can get a hold of the primoblan. If I do get it, how do I run it? i would split it up into 2-2ml shots (dosed at 100mg/ml). this way u r not shooting so much oil at once. run it for all 12 weeks I know with the test to hit it Monday and Thursday, 125mg per shot, and I know to split up the Dianabol - methandrostenolone - through out the day. Thanks again.

Omega,

I am still using phase #1 so I am hitting cardio every day, except leg day.

^^^^

 

[bsdgeek]

since when do we advise stacking on the first cycle?? 250 - 300 mg /wk of test would be exactly what we should be advising on his first cycle. if he wants to add in some dbol to kickstart, that'd be fine too, but keep it at around 25 or 30 mg a day- max.

i agree with 8and20 on the AI, only use it when you need it. at a lower dose of test, you probably won't have any sides to mention. get your diet straight and train hard, the body fat will disappear when you add more muscle. muscle helps burn bodyfat. so adding muscle, in addition to cardio, will get you where you need to be. it's all about diet, what you eat. you'll need to hit the cardio at least 3 x a week. preferably low rpm cardio, ie lower heart rate- keeping it between 120 - 135. if you're out of shape, you start burning body fat after you've been doing cardio for about 30 mins. so, an hour on the treadmill equals 30 of cardio and fat burning. if you're in shape, then one hour equals 40 minutes of fat burning. make sure you get a protein shake in you before and after every workout. and use whey for your before and after protein shake. it increases muscle protein synthesis up to 78%(not sure about this number, i'd have to look at my research doc to pull up accurate percentages) for up to 1.5 -2 hours after a workout. the pre-workout shake helps this as well. for your mid afternoon protein, if you can get it, take a casein shake, it actually helps protein synthesis increase up to 30% for longer periods, up to 6 or 8 hours. this would also be the protein shake of choice to take before bedtime to also help with weight loss.

anyway, sorry for getting too wordy, hope this helps.

also- if anyone needs a copy of the importance of protein intake timing, pm me, i'll see what i can do to get you a copy.

 

[daveyboy2345]

the proposed cycle is fine. Add in A-dex at 1/8-1/4 mg daily and your golden.

 

[GUARDIAN]

since when do we advise stacking on the first cycle?? in defense of the primo suggestion, imo experience primo = no sides.

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[bsdgeek]

^^^

probably not for you bro, a buddy of mine at the gym can also run 500 mg / wk of deca with no probs or sides, 300 mg / wk was fuckin with me. he needs to keep it simple for the first one, and preferably a lower dose. jus my 2.

 

[GUARDIAN]

probably not for you bro, a buddy of mine at the gym can also run 500 mg / wk of Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - with no probs or sides, 300 mg / wk was fuckin with me. he needs to keep it simple for the first one, and preferably a lower dose. jus my 2.

Deca & primo are different beasts. primo is general is one of the least androgenic aas.

 

[bsdgeek]

Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - & Primobolan - methenolone - are different beasts. Primobolan - methenolone - is general is one of the least androgenic anabolic androgenic steroids.

i know this, i just like to err on the side of safety. he'll do just fine with a test only cycle for his first. there's no need to stack on a first cycle, he needs to know what to look for in case he does get sides, not that he will, on low dose t or even on prim.o. i personally just don't recommend stacking to newbies. jus my 2.

 

[partagus]

Here is what my training schedule looks like:

Monday thru Thursday-Cardio in the am at home (2 miles on treadmill), gym in the afternoon, finish up workout with 30 minutes of cardio (EFX machine, bike, or treadmill)

Friday-Off

Saturday-Pushups, ab workout and 2 miles on treadmill all at home

Sunday-Off

I am still working on the diet. I am planning at least three protein shakes as mentioned above. Something like this:

7:00am-Protein Shake (each shake is 310 calories, 7.5 g of fat, 8 g of carbs, 64 g of protein)

At home cardio workout

10:00am-two eggs, four egg whites, scrambled together with turkey and a slice of whole grain bread (Shooting for 700-800 calories)

2:00pm-snack-Fat free cottege cheese & a chicken breast or can of tuna, veggies(Shooting for 500 calories)

5:00pm-Meat (Steak, chicken, fish, turkey) with either rice or a sweet potato and some veggies (Broccoli or a green salad) (Shooting for 700-800 calories)

8:30pm-Protein shake #2

9:00pm-Gym workout

After gym workout protein shake #3.

Before bed snack- Meat (200 calories)

This will put me at about 3000 calories for the day. Again, I will get more exact on this
after I have a chance to get on fitday.com and plan it all out. I will get on there tomorrow night to map it all out. This is what schedule works for my home/work life right now. I am nervous I am not going to get enough clean calories, that seems like a lot of food. Thanks again!

 

[xrsist]

10 weeks of test is more than enough for a first cycle mate no need for 12 weeks, why run it longer when you dont have to?

 

[partagus]

10 weeks of test is more than enough for a first cycle mate no need for 12 weeks, why run it longer when you dont have to?

I had no idea 10 weeks was long enough. I'll run it 250 mg's a week for 10 weeks. Thanks for the help!!!

 

[walliwalibus]

Um, did you read up well....... because you just going by what everyone is saying, and your body might react different than theirs. I am surprised a book wasn't recommended for this person. You can never have enough knowledge and this is a major step for you. It's really time to be careful about what you do. I am nobody, meaning I couldn't recommend anything for you, because like you, I don't have the complete knowledge it takes to take that step. Just my opinion.

Walli

 

[partagus]

Um, did you read up well....... because you just going by what everyone is saying, and your body might react different than theirs. I am surprised a book wasn't recommended for this person. You can never have enough knowledge and this is a major step for you. It's really time to be careful about what you do. I am nobody, meaning I couldn't recommend anything for you, because like you, I don't have the complete knowledge it takes to take that step. Just my opinion.

Walli

Hey bro, thanks for the advice. I have done a lot of reading, so much so, I kind of confused myself. The fellas advice that I am following all have been around here for sometime and over the past year, I have grown to respect them and the advice they give. I have it all put together and once I finally start, I will post a new thread with measurements and pics, before and after. Thanks everyone!!!

 

[walliwalibus]

Thats cool man, just be careful. We watch out for people here, or they do and I just start. I just want whats best for anyone. Last thing you want is injury or anything of the like. Good luck man, I hope it works well for you.

Walli