First cycle ever!

[Liftstrong12]

I'm 34yo, 6'1", 207 @ 14% bf
I have about 12 years experience in the gym and have run multiple ph cycles over the years, albeit maybe not correctly all the time. I am prone to gyno too.
I have always been up around 230 @ 12% bf, but after getting married and having a son my training took a back seat for a two years. I'm finally getting my shit together and want to tear it up again. I've been lifting heavy and hard, regularly, for a few months and just ran a bottle of Super DMZ about two months ago.
In researching my next ph cycle I decided it would be safer and more productive to run the real deal.

My goals are to lean out and gain strength with some mass, but not so much my wife knows whats up. I am thinking about running Test, anavar, and masteron. I will use letro and clomid for pct and will have caber on hand.

At this point I am hoping for some input regarding my choices and any suggestions.

Thanks in advance,

R-

 

[bigbassturd]

No need for all those AAS and supports for your first run man.

Stick to a test only or test and var run. let your diet dictate the quality of your gains.

Run the test at 500mg a week for 12 weeks and the var the first six weeks of the cycle at 60/60/60/60/80/80mg

Run N2Guard the entire time you are on var. You'll need arimidex or preferably aromasin if you are gyno prone. 12.5 eod of aromasin is typically a good dose for estro control.

For pct start two weeks after your last pin and run it 4 weeks

Clomid 25/25/25/25
Unleashed/Post cycle combo
Forma stanzol
DAA (d-spark is best)

 

[Idobehigh]

Don't use letro on cycle or in pct, if you want to get rid of Gyno do it after the cycle is over. I agree with the post above me run test and maybe anavar if you choose however at 14% may dictate your results try and get lower if you can

 

[Liftstrong12]

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[Liftstrong12]

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[FONT=&quot]I’m ready to make my final decision about which way to go with my first aas cycle, but I am still confused. I joined a few different forums and posed the same question to get the most feedback for comparison. There has been much that lines up across the board, and some that doesn’t. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I have not used my source yet and his name starts with a V, so if anyone knows who I am talking about could you tell me if he is g2g? [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]A reminder that I am gyno prone so I will need something in case (letro/caber?)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]My source suggested what you see below…[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4x test prop= (Take 400mgs weekly all the way through)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1x Var= (Start week 5 and take 1 cap daily for the duration of the cycle)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2x mast prop= (start week 3, take 250mgs weekly all the way through)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1 Aromasin= (Take 1 cap every other day)[/FONT]

 

[Liftstrong12]

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[FONT=&quot]I appreciate all the advice and realize that there are many ways to do this so I’m really hoping to find a majority consensus. I am thankful that there is a brotherhood of support here and I appreciate your taking time, I can see how many newbies come looking for help.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Aside from what my source recommended here are some other things I’ve been hearing-note: “person 1, 2, etc... from “on cycle opinions are not necessarily the same “person 1, 2, etc..” from PCT. I’m just showing that the info is coming from different people. [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I appreciate you sharing your knowledge and experience.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]On cycle[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Person 1[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]No mast[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]weeks 1-12 - (test 500mg
weeks 1-4 - 80mg of var
weeks 1-14 ai .25mg eod (can try ed to see how you react)

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]person 2[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Run the test at 500mg a week for 12 weeks and the var the first six weeks at 60/60/60/60/80/80mg

Person 3[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Test-(prop will hold allot less water wait than C, E or Sus)
Weeks 1-12 @ 400-600mg/week
Mast
Weeks 4-12 @ 500-600mg/week
var
Weeks 6-12 @ 70-100mg/Ed[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot][/FONT]

 

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[FONT=&quot]And for PCT[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Person 1[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Week 15-18 nolva 40/40/20/20 & clomid 100/50/50/50[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Person 2[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]You’llneed both clomid and nolva for pct[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Person 3[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]For pct start two weeks after your last pin and run it 4 weeks

Clomid 25/25/25/25[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Unleased/Post cycle combo
Forma stanzol
daa (d-spark is best)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Also for on cycle[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Person 1[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]On cycle, use a blocker like Adex and if at all possible, hcg so that you prevent testicular atrophy and speed up recovery. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Person 2[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]hcg at 1000ius 10 days prior to pct or just cruise at like 500iu weekly for ur entire cycle. letro and caber aren't really needed[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Person 3[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Run N2Guard the entire time you are on var. You'll need arimidex or preferably aromasin if you are gyno prone. 12.5 eod of aromasin is typically a good dose for estro control.[/FONT]

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Holy shit!!! Ok....just keep it simple.

You don't mind pinning EOD then just run test prop for 10 weeks. 100mg EOD.

If you don't want to pin more than once or twice a week then Just run a long ester test like C or E. However I strongly disagree with my friend Bigbassturd in that if this is your first real cycle .....just run 250mg test wk. If your test is 200mg/ml then run 300. Its plenty, I promise. More wont yield more results. You could do 3 injectable cycles and get great results before working your way up to 500mg/wk. Make the most out of as little as you can for as long as you can. If you start with 500mg/wk as a base then you will forever be building off that. Its not necessary. I have been as big as 280 and never gone above 600mg test wk.

As for your source.... I would never run a cycle that the guy selling you the gear recommends. That's asking for trouble. Its also asking for bullshit advice. I don't care if he is 275 and shredded. What he thinks will work is NOT what you need at this point.

Oral kickstart: If you feel you must do it then do it. If you choose to run test prop, I wouldn't run a kickstart. It will hit you quick. Again, not to pick on my bro Bigbassturd but for a first run I feel the Var doses are a little high for a noob. I would keep enough var on hand to run 60mg a day but I would start at half that and taper my way up depending on how you feel. Again, try to get the most out of what you can with as little as you can.

As for your PCT.... click the link in my sig and read that thread. That's a killer pct.

Other than that I would run the PCT that Bigbassturd suggested with a couple changes: Run Hcgenerate the whole PCT. You can thank me later.
You will also need a kickstart to pct. So either Hcgenerate or HCG kickstart.