First Cycle, Deca or not?

[BIGNUTT]

Hi,

I am a big guy 6'4" 285lbs. I have been lifting since I was 14 and I am 21 now. I am finally ready to start a cycle, but I am also needing to get cut. I have a slow metabolism and I have a gut (I wear size 40 pants) I have lost up to 60lbs in the past, but I'm ready for a change. I've been looking all over the web at different sites to buy and I think (Organon or Norma) Deca seems the safest bet. I want to go with a 6 week cycle of Deca starting at 200mg and going to 400 for four weeks then down to 200 again, all while taking Cytomel. Does this seem good for my type or not? Is it just waisting time or what? Should I go with a longer or higher dosage cycle?

I did have high blood pressure, but somehow it stays at 130/80 for the last year so I think my body is good to go. I also will be taking in about 600g of protein a day while on the cycle and excercising and lifting as much as possible.

Thanks

 

[ripper2]

600g of protein is a LOT.... if you can do it great. your blood pressure has probably been 130/80 b/c you lost the 60lbs.

a deca cycle lasting 6 wks from 200 up to 400 and back to 200 would do you more harm than it would good.

gear doesn't burn the fat of anyways, diet and training do. the gear just helps you retain as much muscle as possible during your "fatburning" stage.

 

[AleaveR]

I agree man, 6 weeks would definately be too short, Deca is a long-acting ester and taking it without any front loading will reslt in a duration of about 5 weeks until you reach steady plasma concentrations of the drug.

And ripper is absolutely right, AAS will not cause fat loss, diet is key, but they wil definately help preserve muscle...

 

[BIGNUTT]

What do you guys suggest, that is safe? Whats a good cycle for me? Should I go longer or use a different steroid? What will help me get cut?

I've taken ephedrine pills like Xynadrine and thats what helped me lose the weight, but I want to grow more now and keep losing.

Any help would be great, if I need to give more info about me to help you give me a better answer I will.

Thanks

 

[BIGNUTT]

I agree man, 6 weeks would definately be too short, Deca is a long-acting ester and taking it without any front loading

AAS will not cause fat loss,

Ok, 2 questions?

Whats front loading?

Whats AAS?

Sorry I am new to roids talk.

 

[jerkbox]

front loading = taking larger amounts of drug in the intial weeks to saturate blood levels

AAS = steroids

do some searching on Tren, Winstrol, and Anavar....these are drugs that people will typically use in their cutting cycles. Although, not usually together. Really it's gonna come down to your diet.

Deca might not be a bad choice, however, like everyone else said, needs to be run longer - perhaps 10 weeks. Run winny with it for the last 8 weeks and you have a good stack. I myself am running Deca 300mg, and winny 30mg ED right now.

I'm not sure how the thyroid woud fit into that equation....a question better left for someone else to answer...

 

[BIGNUTT]

Thanks,

I would eventually like to get to about 225lbs. and be solid and cut. For comaparison I have 18" biceps right now, I would really like to see 20". I have alot of muscle is just covered in fat which I greatly need to lose, like I said 40 in the pants, want to go to about 34, which is probably my minimum because I have large bone structure.

Also, I am not just sitting on my arse. I bike, run , stair-step almost everyday and I am losing, but I just need help and I want to grow in muscle size.

And $$$ is an issue and saftey a bigger issue, so thats why Deca seems to be a clear choice. So what about Deca for 10 -12 wks w/ Winny for atleast 8 wks? I have also heard about taking Dbol w/ Deca to help get cut?

How much Winny do I take with the Deca? Should I worry about Gyno?

 

[jerkbox]

The thing about Deca is, it has a lot of good benefits for strength and mass, however the side effects can be a big problem, IF they show up. The major things are: shut down, loss of libido, and progestin related gyno.

i did a lot of research here before i decided to do this. you will find some people like deca, and some people would never touch deca.

Some people will experience a hard shut down, have erection problems....while others won't.

The gyno is a problem, because ancillary drugs aren't really effective at preventing it, or making it go away. So, sometimes the only option is surgery to get rid of some nasty gyno. Again, some never experience this either.

I figured, the only way to know how it will effect me was to try it and find out. For me, if I start to see these sides, especially the gyno, I am stopping immediately. The other problem with deca is the long lasting esters...you may have stopped taking the drug, but it is still active for some time (weeks).

stick to low doses, watch carefully for sides, have a good post cycle plan set up, and I would not recommend front loading deca.

 

[jerkbox]

oh, also, if you find deca appealing, you may want to look into EQ....it was recommended to me many times, and has benefits similar to deca, without a lot of the nasty sides.

 

[BIGNUTT]

Wow, I never knew that. Everywhere I look everyone says Deca is the safest hmmm....

Well I need to get cut more than get bigger anyways, so Winstrol is a good choice? Do you know anything about Dbol or Clenbuterol?