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Bladester

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Hi folks...


Starting my very first cycle. Looking for some input and advices :) I'm little nervous and very excited.
Here's my plan:

Age: 42
Height: 5'11
Weight: 195-200
Bf%: ?
Years traing: 5-6

Cycle
Week 1-4: Turinabol 30mg daily
Week 1-12: Sustenon 450mg a week split into 2 shots of 225mg
Week 3-14: HCG 125iu 3 times a week

PCT
Week 15-19: Clomid 50/50/25/25/25 Nolva 20/20/20/20/20


Can get Arimidex for cycle but not sure if i need it. It's kind of expensive here.

BTW, I'm looking to get bigger, stronger and faster :) Upping the calories and protein. Training hard.
 
stevesmi said:
looks good to me.

I would even consider adding something like primo along with the sustanon. but since its your first cycle you might want to save that for later. up to you
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thanks for the input.
About the Primo... I'm already adding something to my first cycle of test, which is supposed to be a no-no. Waiting 5-6 weeks for the sustenon to kick in I thought that low dosage Tbol might not be too bad. :)
 
PCT:
Clomid:50/50/50/50
Nolva:20/20/20/20
Forma Stanzol:60/60/60/60/40/40
Post cycle/unleased

Tbol at 30mg is too light.
Bump to 50mg ED for 6 weeks.
Forma stanzol is better for you than arimidex and is a great on/off cycle AI to use..
 
stevesmi said:
sustanon kicks in fast.

the first esther 48 hours
2nd 4 days
3rd 8 days
4th 3 weeks.

you will feel it quickly... doesn't take 5-6 weeks. you will notice strength improvements within a week.
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I thought the first esters where pretty small amounts and that you would not necessarily feel them right away. But if I did, that would be awesome :)
 
You should increase sust dose to 750mg a week and dose MWF IMO... More stable levels means less side effects.. And 750mg a lot better than 400.
 
Gamer2Be08 said:
PCT:
Clomid:50/50/50/50
Nolva:20/20/20/20
Forma Stanzol:60/60/60/60/40/40
Post cycle/unleased

Tbol at 30mg is too light.
Bump to 50mg ED for 6 weeks.
Forma stanzol is better for you than arimidex and is a great on/off cycle AI to use..
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I have 100 10mg of Tbol. Trying to split that up for 4 weeks. 40mg first couple of days, 30mg daily for the rest of the month. Being my first cycle, I thought maybe lower dosages might be a good idea. I will look into Forma stanzol.
 
No, tbol and var, 50mg is a low dose.. It is so mild on your body..
I suggest you buy more tbol as it takes a while to kick in as well and I do not believe 30mg will bring upon good gains..
 
Bladester said:
Ok. I think maybe more Tbol might be a good idea then :)
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I promise you will be glad you did :)..

Most sides from orals come from the user not have a TEST base..

You my friend have that ;)
 
sustanon can be injected 3X per week.. 2X per week. or once a week.

however sustanon was made to be injected ONCE a week. and that is how I inject it. 500mg is plenty for a first cycle. you don't need more.

and yes the first 2 esthers are small, but you do feel them.
 
Ya, sust was meant to be used once a week FOR GUYS ON TRT...

UNLESS HE DOSES IT ABOVE 750MG, THE ONE DOSE WOULD BE SO INFECTIVE..


Dosing 3 times a week is optimal..
Nothing compares..
This has been debated forever..
 
according to needto it should be dosed once a week. and I agree cause I've tried it both ways and who are we to disagree with him.. if we cannot trust needto's advice then who can we trust? . read this:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/gear-pictures-anabolic-steroids/z-line-sust-250-a-722563.html


so you are saying guys on TRT should do it once a week, but everyone else should do it 3X per week? explain why it would make any difference since your HPTA is shut down by week 4 anyhow.

I would like to see a thread where this was debated and blood test results proving you get more stable levels from 3X per week vs. 1. according to needto its the exact opposite. considering the prop esther is so small i dont see how injecting 3X per week would be better. who injects 15mg a day of prop anyway?
 
So then how should one use sust? Well yes you can have a good cycle using twice a week injects of sust. You can have a good cycle running every other day injects of sust-250 too as many have seen for them self first hand.

But guys lets use our heads!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Over all of steroid history what have we always done? We have always taken a steroid and used double, triple, more, more, more, then what was intended to be used right? We take it how it was intended to be taken only we take a whole hell of a lot more then was intended.


So why have we lost our way when it comes to sustanon? When you use sust in any other way then its intended use you get unstable levels. This has been known to cause sust flue, crap loads of nasty acne,mood swings, and all kinds of other problems.

Now I challenge you experienced users out there to test my theory. Insted of injecting sust twice a week, 3 times a week or even every other day... Go back to the basics and use it exactly how it was intended to be used.

Inject your sustanon just once a week.

But needto man thats no fun!!!!!!!!! Ya I know its not. So lets do what we always do and jack up the dosing :evil:
Inject 2, 3, or hell even 4ml of sust 250 once every 8 days. This is a great 1000mg cycle and trust me once you take my advice and start injecting your sust the way it was intended to be injecting you will understand and "feel" exactly why this is by far the most superior way of injecting your sust.

This will keep a constant steady on the rise flow of testosterone in your system. The different esters on large doses will work together one after another as one ester drops off the next ester is right there to pick up the slack one after another. :evil::evil::evil:
 
stevesmi said:
So then how should one use sust? Well yes you can have a good cycle using twice a week injects of sust. You can have a good cycle running every other day injects of sust-250 too as many have seen for them self first hand.

But guys lets use our heads!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Over all of steroid history what have we always done? We have always taken a steroid and used double, triple, more, more, more, then what was intended to be used right? We take it how it was intended to be taken only we take a whole hell of a lot more then was intended.


So why have we lost our way when it comes to sustanon? When you use sust in any other way then its intended use you get unstable levels. This has been known to cause sust flue, crap loads of nasty acne,mood swings, and all kinds of other problems.

Now I challenge you experienced users out there to test my theory. Insted of injecting sust twice a week, 3 times a week or even every other day... Go back to the basics and use it exactly how it was intended to be used.

Inject your sustanon just once a week.

But needto man thats no fun!!!!!!!!! Ya I know its not. So lets do what we always do and jack up the dosing :evil:
Inject 2, 3, or hell even 4ml of sust 250 once every 8 days. This is a great 1000mg cycle and trust me once you take my advice and start injecting your sust the way it was intended to be injecting you will understand and "feel" exactly why this is by far the most superior way of injecting your sust.

This will keep a constant steady on the rise flow of testosterone in your system. The different esters on large doses will work together one after another as one ester drops off the next ester is right there to pick up the slack one after another. :evil::evil::evil:
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Thats the same way i've been running it for years,Once a week,you get a quick spike from the short esters and after that each ester starts breaking down right as you prepair for another shot!Works for me!
 
Again, that method works when you dose high, above 750mg..
i will not write a story about why because I am about to leave..
I love Nate, but at 2cc or less, it is infective..
 
Gamer2Be08 said:
Again, that method works when you dose high, above 750mg..
i will not write a story about why because I am about to leave..
I love Nate, but at 2cc or less, it is infective..
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when you get back please share because I will be starting my cycle soon and want the best method.

thanks.
 
all of my test cycles are now 750 week weather its enanthate,cypionate,sus.

The Original poster is doing it correctly, running his dosage 2 times a week , besides its his first cycle 440mgs a week is plenty,no need to bump it to such a high of a dose like 750, thats not the way to do a first cycle.
 
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