Finishers?

[MaxxReps]

I've seen reference to a few steroids people are calling finishers, like masteron, winny, and to an extent anavar.

Are these pretty much just for looks? For weekend warrior types and not competing bodybuilders who really just want to put on size is there any real reason to run these finishers? Probably a dumb question but have to ask - do you lose the look when coming off the juice?

 

[bigbassturd]

Yes you'll lose the hard as nails look when you aren't on it anymore, and no they aren't just for weekend warriors

Competitors will run them the last few weeks before a show. What's the use in all that mass if it just looks like a water balloon?

Personal favorite contest hardener is primo, proviron, and halotestin. You look seriously chiseled out of granite

 

[stevesmi]

I've seen reference to a few steroids people are calling finishers, like masteron, winny, and to an extent anavar.

Are these pretty much just for looks? For weekend warrior types and not competing bodybuilders who really just want to put on size is there any real reason to run these finishers? Probably a dumb question but have to ask - do you lose the look when coming off the juice?

not a dumb question but your question makes no sense to me.

they are hormones that do not aromatize into estrogen. as simple as that.

 

[MaxxReps]

your question makes no sense to me.

It seems that these substances are used strictly for looks which I can see is important if competing but for non competing guys what would the point be? To look really good for a few weeks?

I am really happy with the results I got from just testosterone. Once I dialed in my AI I wasn't a bloated mess and have been on a very low cruising dose for months now and feel and look great.

I am just wondering what advantage these finishers would have to non competing bodybuilders, especially since the consensus is that you should be <10% BF which a lot of weekend warrior types will not maintain (and isn't necessary for day-to-day life).

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ gotcha.. well I could say the same thing about dbol, test, deca, or any aromatizing compound.. you take them.. blow up with water and then when you come off the water goes away.

I will say with var you get low sides, you get strength gains, and the gains are more keepable because they are slow

its a war with whatever you take to keep improving over time. that's the challenge of this and why most guys quit.. look at the turnover on steroid boards.. you have the newbs who show up for a month or two and then quit.. and then you have the regulars who stick around. just like anything else. its totally okay to quit, this game isn't for everyone

 

[RickRock13]

Whether competing or not, don't you take AAS for looks? Unless you are a power lifter, Its kind of a redundant question. We all want to look our best whether you are going on stage or not (at least I do)

 

[MaxxReps]

^^^ gotcha.. well I could say the same thing about dbol, test, deca, or any aromatizing compound.. you take them.. blow up with water and then when you come off the water goes away.

Really? You think that gains made from aromatizing compounds are not keepable at all? I seem to remember a post you made a while back where you said that gaining 3lbs of muscle per cycle after it was all said and done is possible. With 3 cycles a year thats near 10lbs of muscle per year that can be gotten with these compounds. I think thats pretty hard to do naturally (virtually impossible in my case).

Whether competing or not, don't you take AAS for looks? Unless you are a power lifter, Its kind of a redundant question. We all want to look our best whether you are going on stage or not (at least I do)

Of course we do this to look good, but I guess I just don't get the look good for a short time then go back to where you were at. If not competing, or at least looking for for a specific event wouldn't that be depressing?

 

[EZ_E]

I get what you're asking now....If someone is "going back" to what he was and it's a big difference then he's got bigger problems.

 

[RickRock13]

One thing you have to remember, is that it will always be taking a step back when coming off of high androgens, regardless of what you are running. It is not limited to these "finishers". It doesn't matter if you blast and cruise or cycle either. Anytime you go from 10x your normal hormone levels back down to normal levels, you will lose some fullness, vascularity, strength, hardness, etc....

Anybody that ever tells you different is blowing smoke up your ass.

 

[stevesmi]

Really? You think that gains made from aromatizing compounds are not keepable at all? I seem to remember a post you made a while back where you said that gaining 3lbs of muscle per cycle after it was all said and done is possible. With 3 cycles a year thats near 10lbs of muscle per year that can be gotten with these compounds. I think thats pretty hard to do naturally (virtually impossible in my case).

no I didn't say that.

I am saying that your question is comparing aromatizing compounds to non aromatizing.

the difference is the aromatizing ones fill your muscles up with water and the non aromatizing ones do not.

that is the difference. as simple as that

if you want to gain a ton of water weight then stack a bunch of aromatizing compounds together and go for it and don't run an AI. but just don't think what you are gaining is mostly muscle..

a lot of newbs who are 140 pounds jump on deca/dbol/test and blow up 30 pounds and then brag about it like what they did was something smart, when it was incredibly dumb.

the 3 pounds per cycle thing isn't black and white, and neither is doing 3 cycles and adding 10 pounds for the year. I actually weigh LESS today than I did a year ago. but I look better. lets not worry what the scale says.. worry about what the mirror says

 

[MaxxReps]

Yeah I totally get that and wasn't really trying to compare aromatizing to non aromatizing but more compounds that will only affect your looks for the duration that you are on them as compared to ones that *if used intelligently* can help build a long term physique (or long term strength, whatever you are into). I guess I just can't see why someone who is not interested in looking for a particular event would use a 'finisher'.

I'm sorry, I must not be that good at trying to get my point across.

I also get that when you come off you lose some for sure - but if you are smart about it, you also keep *some*. Even if its a little, over the long term if you are diligent about your training and diet *i do believe* that you can eventually build more muscle than you could naturally. At least I hope so. Even with two steps forward and one step back - you are still one step ahead.

 

[stevesmi]

^^ I think the confusion is you think 'gains' are just what the scale says.

someone who is 17 and is lets say 6 feet 220 pounds with 10% body fat is not going to look as good as someone who has been lifting for 20 years and is 40 years old with the same stats. mature muscle mass looks better than raw muscle.

 

[ALIN]

I've seen reference to a few steroids people are calling finishers, like masteron, winny, and to an extent anavar.

Are these pretty much just for looks? For weekend warrior types and not competing bodybuilders who really just want to put on size is there any real reason to run these finishers? Probably a dumb question but have to ask - do you lose the look when coming off the juice?

I like MASTERON in a finished physique with already low BF%. It can literally transform a body into looking
like it was cut out of granite stone.

 

[buddhabuilder]

Yeah I totally get that and wasn't really trying to compare aromatizing to non aromatizing but more compounds that will only affect your looks for the duration that you are on them as compared to ones that *if used intelligently* can help build a long term physique (or long term strength, whatever you are into). I guess I just can't see why someone who is not interested in looking for a particular event would use a 'finisher'.

I'm sorry, I must not be that good at trying to get my point across.

I also get that when you come off you lose some for sure - but if you are smart about it, you also keep *some*. Even if its a little, over the long term if you are diligent about your training and diet *i do believe* that you can eventually build more muscle than you could naturally. At least I hope so. Even with two steps forward and one step back - you are still one step ahead.

It's nice to see you are reading these posts and thinking about them in order to expand your knowledge. This is the way forward for all of us, no matter what we do.

Just focusing on the "finisher" point, I've included Anavar at the end of a cycle, and more recently Mast E. I wasn't getting ready for an immediate contest, but just wanted to put those finishing touches on a physique I have been working on for many years.

And that Mast E made me super hard. It's great!

 

[EZ_E]

no I didn't say that.

I am saying that your question is comparing aromatizing compounds to non aromatizing.

the difference is the aromatizing ones fill your muscles up with water and the non aromatizing ones do not.

that is the difference. as simple as that

if you want to gain a ton of water weight then stack a bunch of aromatizing compounds together and go for it and don't run an AI. but just don't think what you are gaining is mostly muscle..

a lot of newbs who are 140 pounds jump on deca/dbol/test and blow up 30 pounds and then brag about it like what they did was something smart, when it was incredibly dumb.

the 3 pounds per cycle thing isn't black and white, and neither is doing 3 cycles and adding 10 pounds for the year. I actually weigh LESS today than I did a year ago. but I look better. lets not worry what the scale says.. worry about what the mirror says

As do I....and I turned 40 this year

 

[dylangemelli]

Ask yourself this question... what's more keepable in terms of gains... 15-20 lbs. of weight that has a lot of excess water, bloat, estrogen, albeit, a lot of size and some of it can definitely be keepable but definitely a lot will be lost when estro decreases and water dissipates OR 5-10 lbs. of dry lean muscle gain... Don't kid yourself into thinking that winstrol and anavar are only used as finishers... that may be the most popular way to use them and more common but definitely not the only way... the gains you get from winstrol and anavar are very keepable.... masteron is definitely a bit harder because its basically a pure aesthetic in terms of gains but you need to be at the proper body fat to even be using it anyway.... trust me when i tell you, anavar and winstrol are not just for hardening... strength can be very big on both and you can most definitely add lean muscle size... its definitely not something extremely drastic but i assure you that 5-10 lbs. of lean muscle is attainable on either...

regardless, keepability depends on YOU... too many guys feel like everything is dependent on what your running... yes, they are certain things that you just cannot do without steroid type gains and effects, i completely agree with that but there are plenty of things IN YOUR CONTROL as well...

anything you use or run is dependent upon what you want to accomplish, your quality, your discipline, etc... you can make a multitude of gains and keep a lot of it on anything you run... some definitely more than others, it just depends on so many variables but winstrol and anavar both are amazing and definitely have a place on any cycle...

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

PCTs nowadays shatter the old school way of thought. Starting GHRP-2 with CJC 8-4 weeks before your last AAS dose and running it for 4 months after could maintain gains as far as strength and size and may even improve them. Taking GW will prevent muscle wasting and has potential to maintaing size strength and leanness. The above compounds are of course on top of your normal natty-test-inducing PCT but gains are very keepable.

 

[-SD-]

The most gains ive kept were from tren ace so far. Im 7 lbs up after being off 12 weeks

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

The most gains ive kept were from tren ace so far. Im 7 lbs up after being off 12 weeks

....and that is supposedly the hardest compound to keep gains.

 

[bonacris]

....and that is supposedly the hardest compound to keep gains.

Kept the gains but its hard to keep the look that tren gives. Almost impossible to keep the strength it gives as well

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[EZ_E]

Ask yourself this question... what's more keepable in terms of gains... 15-20 lbs. of weight that has a lot of excess water, bloat, estrogen, albeit, a lot of size and some of it can definitely be keepable but definitely a lot will be lost when estro decreases and water dissipates OR 5-10 lbs. of dry lean muscle gain... Don't kid yourself into thinking that winstrol and anavar are only used as finishers... that may be the most popular way to use them and more common but definitely not the only way... the gains you get from winstrol and anavar are very keepable.... masteron is definitely a bit harder because its basically a pure aesthetic in terms of gains but you need to be at the proper body fat to even be using it anyway.... trust me when i tell you, anavar and winstrol are not just for hardening... strength can be very big on both and you can most definitely add lean muscle size... its definitely not something extremely drastic but i assure you that 5-10 lbs. of lean muscle is attainable on either...

regardless, keepability depends on YOU... too many guys feel like everything is dependent on what your running... yes, they are certain things that you just cannot do without steroid type gains and effects, i completely agree with that but there are plenty of things IN YOUR CONTROL as well...

anything you use or run is dependent upon what you want to accomplish, your quality, your discipline, etc... you can make a multitude of gains and keep a lot of it on anything you run... some definitely more than others, it just depends on so many variables but winstrol and anavar both are amazing and definitely have a place on any cycle...

DIS-CIP-LINE......too many guys using gear as a crutch

 

[fizzisnumerouno]

Kept the gains but its hard to keep the look that tren gives. Almost impossible to keep the strength it gives as well

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How did you fare with the strength? Did u run gw in your pct? I'm thinking gw with ghrp as a pct stack is gonna be nasty because of gw's affinity for lipids and ghrp's ability for dumping them into the bloodstream.

 

[MaxxReps]

Hey thanks for the feedback everyone. It sort of turned into a 'what really are gains' or 'how to keep gains' thread but it give me some insight. Although I'm just a recreational bodybuilder that right now is just looking to slowly put on keepable muscle over the long term - will probably end up trying one of these finishers if my bf is ever at a point to really get the most out of them.

 

[RickRock13]

Hey thanks for the feedback everyone. It sort of turned into a 'what really are gains' or 'how to keep gains' thread but it give me some insight. Although I'm just a recreational bodybuilder that right now is just looking to slowly put on keepable muscle over the long term - will probably end up trying one of these finishers if my bf is ever at a point to really get the most out of them.

If you get to that point to see the true benefits of things like Masteron and Winstrol, you will see just how great they can be and what they do for your appearance