Finally maned up and asked her out

[tempest2003]

I finally asked her, she said yes, yeay! now i just have to be able to make my self kiss her, hah every time i tell my self im going to I just look her in the eyes and shes sooo beautiful I just cant, I dunno why. anyways, just thought id brag =O

 

[jackangel]

word. good luck karma to you.

 

[Johnny Gringo]

"she's so beautiful" I'm gonna get sick...lol. Good for you bro. Hope everything works out for ya.

 

[DcupSheepNipples]

I finally asked her, she said yes, yeay! now i just have to be able to make my self kiss her, hah every time i tell my self im going to I just look her in the eyes and shes sooo beautiful I just cant, I dunno why. anyways, just thought id brag =O

Give me details when you fuck her brains out and she swallows your money shot!

 

[big_bad_buff]

who cares, you'll get tired of her shit sometime right! lol

 

[Baoh]

Awww.

You're a cute kid. I hope she doesn't break your heart.

You still need to let those testes descend and take charge, though.

 

[biteme]

I finally asked her, she said yes, yeay! now i just have to be able to make my self kiss her, hah every time i tell my self im going to I just look her in the eyes and shes sooo beautiful I just cant, I dunno why. anyways, just thought id brag =O

Congrats bitch. That's my problem. A girl that I really like. I can't get the courage up to talk to them. I'm all tongue tied and self conscious. Girls that I'm not that attracted to really like me because I can be myself around them.

 

[HANSEL]

Two words:

autoerotic asphyxiation

 

[tempest2003]

and dumped less than 48hrs later...........

 

[jackangel]

 

[Baoh]

and dumped less than 48hrs later...........

Details, dude.

 

[tempest2003]

Details, dude.

she said she doesnt have the time right now to spend with me that I deserve and her x has really left her life in pieces, i have the chat log, ill post it, hah. oh well. As long as shes telling the truth I dont care, but theres somthing about it that tells me theres more to the story, oh well if there is and she goes out with another guy im gonna kick his ass just because, and beat down every one of her boyfriends she has for a while.

[16:08:38] Her: hi
[16:09:33] Me: hey
[16:09:50] Me: watcha up to?
[16:12:41] Her: just cleaning my room so it doesnt smell ilke a
ferret
[16:17:21] Me: hah awesome, sounds like a good time, my sister is
bugging me to take her to the beach with colleen, do u
wanna go in a little bit? if not its cool, cause i dunno if
i wanna go with them out there anyways heh
[16:23:07] Her: hold on k
[16:23:46] Me: sure
[16:28:03] Her: i like you soo much your, your like the sweetest
sexiest guy ever, and i think you deserve my full
attention, but right now i dont think thats possible.....im
still really crushed over everything about stupid mike and
right now i just want to be alone because i still hurt
really bad
[16:28:41] Me: its okay megan, i understand
[16:28:51] Me: so just friends?
[16:29:47] Her: you dont know how bad i feel tho because i really
want to be with you, really really bad...but i just need a
few more days not thinking about anything before i can
start something new
[16:30:56] Me: dont feal bad at all, i understand, thats why I
didnt ask you out right away when i found out you liked me
too. I know you need some time and if your not ready your
not ready, dont worry =)
[16:34:08] Her: i hope this doesnt change anything because i still
want to be with you, i just cant right now.......when you
asked me out the other night you made me feel like the
luckiest person ever and that moving on isnt impossible
anymore, i just need time to pick up the the pieces of
myself that mike shattered
[16:37:15] Me: I’m flattered, I just hope ill be the one you
move on with when your ready, im sorry I asked when I did
though, thats why I asked if you would if I asked you too
before I did. Dont feal guilty about anything thats
happened between us
[16:37:42] Her: of course your the one i want to move on with
[16:38:05] Me: you guys had a bad breakup and mikes been a real
punk about it, I just hope things work on your end
[16:38:12] Me: =)
[16:40:55] Her: things are actually getting brighter now but mikes
still crazy and i really dont know what hes going to do
next, and he knows about you and me too so i dont want to
involve you right now because i dont want him to come after
you
[16:41:01] Her: that would be the worst thing ever]
[16:42:35] Me: hah, not like i wasnt expecting it, I wasnt going
into it blind, he needs someone to set him straight and if
thats what it takes thats what it takes, as long as he
leaves you alone, im happy
[16:45:42] Her: he'll leave me alone.....after im out of town all
next week he'll be with someone else anyways....thats
mostly why im looking forward to state because i can get
the hell out of this gay little town
[16:46:06] Me: yea, you had better call me!
[16:46:41] Her: i will....but i really want you to come
[16:47:29] Me: there will be so many guys over there you will be
in heaven, haha, just have fun! enjoy it while your there
[16:48:27] Her: aaahhh whatever!! il be thinking of you the whole
time im there
[16:49:22] Me: hah, dont, just leave everything behind while your
over there, have some fun! get away form it all
[16:50:39] Her: i will have fun but im gonna miss you alot
[16:50:56] Her: no matter what you say im gonna think of you and miss
you tons
[16:51:37] Me: ill miss you too, but your not gone yet!
[16:51:59] Me: i think im proably gonna go to track tomarrow just
so i can keep my lazy butt doing somthing
[16:52:19] Her: and so you can come see me
[16:52:43] Me: well yea! I didn think I needed to say that part,
that was obvious!
[16:53:51] Her: well im gonna get back to doind laundry...mayeb you
can come back to my house after track tomorrow?
[16:54:09] Me: sure, sounds like fun, I got some stuff to do
around here too
[16:54:23] Her: alright....see ya later sexy
[16:54:27] Me: later babe
[16:54:28] Me: =)

 

[DcupSheepNipples]

I seemed to miss the part where you fuck her brains out!

 

[tempest2003]

haha, well see i started to, but 30 hours just isnt long enough for me to get off, I meen, i was really working, but it just takes me longer than that! maybe if my next relationship with her lasts long enough for me to get off I will!

 

[Frackal]

is this hte bank chick or is this the guy with the chick who went on the field trip with another guy

 

[DcupSheepNipples]

is this hte bank chick or is this the guy with the chick who went on the field trip with another guy

Or is this the "GUY" who let a HOT CHICK looking for vitamins get away! Or the "GUY" who spanked it behind the counter after lusting over a HOT ASIAN CHICK! hmmmmm!

 

[flexygrl]

Yea, whatever happened to those two?

 

[tempest2003]

is this hte bank chick or is this the guy with the chick who went on the field trip with another guy

haha nither one

 

[Frackal]

then who is it

 

[Baoh]

Okay, listen. Just let it go.

You both were completely fair to each other. Don't get angry over this. You did her a favor by giving her the space she asked for, and she did you a favor by not getting involved with you, as she's really not mentally stable right now.

I know what it is like to want companionship, but this has worked out -really- in your favor.

Don't be angry, and don't think about beating up anyone else she decides to see. Move on.

Go out with your sister and Colleen. Go out to other places without them. Just get out of the house. If you have a good body, now's a decent time to start showing it off. If your condition is lacking, now's a good time to crack down on diet, tanning, and training.

This girl, no matter how perfect she seems, would end up causing you some emotional torment down the road. I can see that just from the conversation.

When the right girl comes along, this girl will mean nothing at all to you. I've experienced some fucked up pain because of women, but I look at it like this: Every negative experience I have ever had with women only served to forge the path for me to find and be happy with the woman I am in love with right now.

Do you belong to a church? If so, try some kind of youth group. Go there to meet nice people, not to hit on girls. If you find someone who seems nice, give it a few days, and then ask if she'd like to hang out sometime, away from the group.

Don't be afraid to try new things.



What's that saying? "When one door closes, a window opens"? It is often true.



Just work on bettering yourself, and make sure not to settle for someone who isn't at least somewhere close to what you would like to have in a girlfriend.

 

[gsxr1000]

Sounds like she gave you the blow off and just sugar coated it.


Course I could be wrong

 

[Baoh]

Anytime.

 

[plornive]

I think I get an idea of your persona from the phone conversation. You make yourself the friend of girls. You gotta stop that. Try being more blunt and apathetic. I guess it only comes with being truly apathetic about women.

 

[tempest2003]

Okay, listen. Just let it go.

You both were completely fair to each other. Don't get angry over this. You did her a favor by giving her the space she asked for, and she did you a favor by not getting involved with you, as she's really not mentally stable right now.

I know what it is like to want companionship, but this has worked out -really- in your favor.

Don't be angry, and don't think about beating up anyone else she decides to see. Move on.

Go out with your sister and Colleen. Go out to other places without them. Just get out of the house. If you have a good body, now's a decent time to start showing it off. If your condition is lacking, now's a good time to crack down on diet, tanning, and training.

This girl, no matter how perfect she seems, would end up causing you some emotional torment down the road. I can see that just from the conversation.

When the right girl comes along, this girl will mean nothing at all to you. I've experienced some fucked up pain because of women, but I look at it like this: Every negative experience I have ever had with women only served to forge the path for me to find and be happy with the woman I am in love with right now.

Do you belong to a church? If so, try some kind of youth group. Go there to meet nice people, not to hit on girls. If you find someone who seems nice, give it a few days, and then ask if she'd like to hang out sometime, away from the group.

Don't be afraid to try new things.



What's that saying? "When one door closes, a window opens"? It is often true.



Just work on bettering yourself, and make sure not to settle for someone who isn't at least somewhere close to what you would like to have in a girlfriend.

wow........ thanks man, I really appreciate you taking the time to post all that, just reading that make me feal that much better. I think i will try to move on and if sometime down the road she wants to be with me then so be it, but untill then im going to try not to worry about it. Thanks so much for your help, I really really appreciate it.

 

[plornive]

Just work on bettering yourself, and make sure not to settle for someone who isn't at least somewhere close to what you would like to have in a girlfriend.

This isn't a good idea at all. This dude needs a serious paradigm shift regarding females. It doesn't matter if he is fat, goodlooking, stupid or smart. His attitude needs to change. And he needs to start by banging some women senseless. There's really only two ways: stay a needy servant guy who is always clueless, or become a master.

 

[DcupSheepNipples]

This isn't a good idea at all. This dude needs a serious paradigm shift regarding females. It doesn't matter if he is fat, goodlooking, stupid or smart. His attitude needs to change. And he needs to start by banging some women senseless. There's really only two ways: stay a needy servant guy who is always clueless, or become a master.

Or become a Mastubator!

 

[Baoh]

This isn't a good idea at all. This dude needs a serious paradigm shift regarding females. It doesn't matter if he is fat, goodlooking, stupid or smart. His attitude needs to change. And he needs to start by banging some women senseless. There's really only two ways: stay a needy servant guy who is always clueless, or become a master.

Bettering yourself and worrying less about others is a good idea, despite what you think.

Banging people senselessly is not a good practice, IMO. I am glad that I was never that way, and the people I have been with reflect that.

You can be a master of yourself, and a partner in a relationship when that time comes. Someone does need to take charge in many cases, but being completely selfish is going to prevent you from realizing much of your emotional potential, as well as preventing the phenomenon of shared experience and all that that entails.

Your two ways are just two of several possibilities, not the only two choices available. You convince yourself that they are the only two because that allows you to feel more comfortable with the path you have chosen. That is fine. However, saying what goes for you is what goes for all is not fine, nor true.

He needs to master himself before even contemplating mastering others, anyway. Also, in terms of mastery, persuasion requires much more skill than apathy or force, thereby making it all the more impressive.

Regardless, improving himself and seeking to be with only those who are worthy of his "kingdom" is the way to go.

 

[plornive]

What I suggest you do is put this girl's number in the back of your book, and start looking for fresh targets. Talk to every single girl in sight. Don't be too picky, since you aren't very good at getting women yet. Of course don't bang girls who are actually unattractive to you, but you can still talk to them. It's all about effort in talking to as many girls as you can. Build up a large book, and call new girls every night. In every action related to these girls, try to make it lead to you banging the shit out of them. Every action should push you in that direction.

Pretty soon, you really won't give a fuck about any of them, and really get sick of nailing them. You will begin to see that most girls are actually drawn to abuse and chaos. You will see that even if you are the "perfect guy", you may be really boring to women. Women want to marry the "perfect guy" (and cheat on him). But before (and while) they are married, they enjoy trying to control guys who can't be controlled, and being screwed over by them. At a certain point some women even begin to admit this to themselves.

You can be such a fucking asshole, and it will generally help you. I have *never*, I repeat *never* lost any ground by being an asshole. It has only helped me. I don't even know how far the rubber band will stretch, and I don't want to find out.

Anyway, this post will probably just fly by you, but this information is all 100% true.

 

[Baoh]

What I suggest you do is put this girl's number in the back of your book, and start looking for fresh targets. Talk to every single girl in sight. Don't be too picky, since you aren't very good at getting women yet. Of course don't bang girls who are actually unattractive to you, but you can still talk to them. It's all about effort in talking to as many girls as you can. Build up a large book, and call new girls every night. In every action related to these girls, try to make it lead to you banging the shit out of them. Every action should push you in that direction.

Pretty soon, you really won't give a fuck about any of them, and really get sick of nailing them. You will begin to see that most girls are actually drawn to abuse and chaos. You will see that even if you are the "perfect guy", you may be really boring to women. Women want to marry the "perfect guy" (and cheat on him). But before (and while) they are married, they enjoy trying to control guys who can't be controlled, and being screwed over by them. At a certain point some women even begin to admit this to themselves.

You can be such a fucking asshole, and it will generally help you. I have *never*, I repeat *never* lost any ground by being an asshole. It has only helped me. I don't even know how far the rubber band will stretch, and I don't want to find out.

Anyway, this post will probably just fly by you, but this information is all 100% true.

That is 100% true about the majority of women. There's no denying that. However, does this guy want the majority of women, or the select few who don't fit that cracked mold? If he wants simply to be sexually gratified and such, then the above will work to his advantage. If he seeks what I have described, then he'd best go with what I said. It's up to him.

 

[plornive]

Bettering yourself and worrying less about others is a good idea, despite what you think.

Banging people senselessly is not a good practice, IMO. I am glad that I was never that way, and the people I have been with reflect that.

You can be a master of yourself, and a partner in a relationship when that time comes. Someone does need to take charge in many cases, but being completely selfish is going to prevent you from realizing much of your emotional potential, as well as preventing the phenomenon of shared experience and all that that entails.

Your two ways are just two of several possibilities, not the only two choices available. You convince yourself that they are the only two because that allows you to feel more comfortable with the path you have chosen. That is fine. However, saying what goes for you is what goes for all is not fine, nor true.

He needs to master himself before even contemplating mastering others, anyway. Also, in terms of mastery, persuasion requires much more skill than apathy or force, thereby making it all the more impressive.

Regardless, improving himself and seeking to be with only those who are worthy of his "kingdom" is the way to go.

Fair enough.

You come from the premise that romantic relationships are positive and constructive. I come from the premise that they are illusions. There always needs to be people to believe in illusions or society would fall apart.

In my mind, no matter how good of a relationship one has, the forces of sadism, masochism and raw sexuality cancel it out when given the opportunity. Everyone wants a piece of it whether they know it or not.

A "relationship" is just a denial of the fact that no one is going to save you or take care of you if you can't save yourself already.

 

[OXANDRIN]

i heard that girl was fat

 

[OXANDRIN]

Define "fat".

 

[Baoh]

Fair enough.

You come from the premise that romantic relationships are positive and constructive. I come from the premise that they are illusions. There always needs to be people to believe in illusions or society would fall apart.

In my mind, no matter how good of a relationship one has, the forces of sadism, masochism and raw sexuality cancel it out when given the opportunity. Everyone wants a piece of it whether they know it or not.

A "relationship" is just a denial of the fact that no one is going to save you or take care of you if you can't save yourself already.

Positive when genuine. Constructive when cooperative.

I can have sadism, masochism, and raw sexuality within a relationship. Perhaps you cannot, and that may be where our dissention lies.

A true relationship is never supposed to be about being "saved" or having someone "take care of you". Also, I do recall that I emphasized self-improvement as the premise for finding happiness. A true relationship is when you both feel so strongly for each other that you both decide wholeheartedly to raise your combined level of emotional consciousness together.

 

[plornive]

i heard that girl was fat

Define "fat".

 

[plornive]

Positive when genuine. Constructive when cooperative.

I can have sadism, masochism, and raw sexuality within a relationship. Perhaps you cannot, and that may be where our dissention lies.

A true relationship is never supposed to be about being "saved" or having someone "take care of you". Also, I do recall that I emphasized self-improvement as the premise for finding happiness. A true relationship is when you both feel so strongly for each other that you both decide wholeheartedly to raise your combined level of emotional consciousness together.

Ok, I think I know where we disagree now...

In my view, you prefer moderate co-dependence in order to build emotional stability and some kind of interesting feelings(?). That co-dependence is tempered by the reallization that the other person might bail any day (or is it?). I believe it is an illusion because each person probably doesn't know that he/she is missing a lot of powerful emotions that could be experienced by following his/her more natural impulses. And even if he/she knows, he/she could be at the mercy of these emotions if put in the right (wrong?) situation.

I prefer playing the strings of females' masochism and exercising my sadism like a hunter. I see co-dependence as constricting. I also see that what people call commitment is by nature an illusion. I have something like relationships, but there is absolutely no commitment, and no altruism or benevolence.

This dude Tempest2003 is different from both of us. He believes in dependence. He talks to this girl like she is going to call ALL of the shots, NOT him. I think you will agree that he at least needs to change that.

 

[plornive]

Titty fuck?

 

[tempest2003]

Ok, I think I know where we disagree now...

In my view, you prefer moderate co-dependence in order to build emotional stability and some kind of interesting feelings(?). That co-dependence is tempered by the reallization that the other person might bail any day (or is it?). I believe it is an illusion because each person probably doesn't know that he/she is missing a lot of powerful emotions that could be experienced by following his/her more natural impulses. And even if he/she knows, he/she could be at the mercy of these emotions if put in the right (wrong?) situation.

I prefer playing the strings of females' masochism and exercising my sadism like a hunter. I see co-dependence as constricting. I also see that what people call commitment is by nature an illusion. I have something like relationships, but there is absolutely no commitment, and no altruism or benevolence.

This dude Tempest2003 is different from both of us. He believes in dependence. He talks to this girl like she is going to call ALL of the shots, NOT him. I think you will agree that he at least needs to change that.

Okay well honesty what kind of call am I, or was I in a position to make?

 

[plornive]

Okay well honesty what kind of call am I, or was I in a position to make?

You: I'm going to the beach. Want to join?
Her: No, I'm need to blah blah blah...
You: Ok, enjoy yourself. I'll be seein' ya.

She wouldn't have given you the excuse about her ex-boyfriend, because you would have never asked for her any emotional attention. In fact, I bet if you had played your cards differently, she would have not told you so much about her ex-boyfriend and gladly gone to the beach with you.

You: I'm going to the beach, why don't you join me.
Her: Let me find my swimsuit.
You: You don't need it.
Her: Why not?
..........

 

[Baoh]

Ok, I think I know where we disagree now...

In my view, you prefer moderate co-dependence in order to build emotional stability and some kind of interesting feelings(?). That co-dependence is tempered by the reallization that the other person might bail any day (or is it?). I believe it is an illusion because each person probably doesn't know that he/she is missing a lot of powerful emotions that could be experienced by following his/her more natural impulses. And even if he/she knows, he/she could be at the mercy of these emotions if put in the right (wrong?) situation.

I prefer playing the strings of females' masochism and exercising my sadism like a hunter. I see co-dependence as constricting. I also see that what people call commitment is by nature an illusion. I have something like relationships, but there is absolutely no commitment, and no altruism or benevolence.

This dude Tempest2003 is different from both of us. He believes in dependence. He talks to this girl like she is going to call ALL of the shots, NOT him. I think you will agree that he at least needs to change that.

Your psycho-analytical evaluation is similar to what I'd have expected you to produce, but it simply is not what I experience. My emotions are generally stable towards a given end of the emotional spectrum. There is a shift when with someone, whether I love that person or not. That is noted. However, when I speak of a genuine relationship, I am talking about more than such a simple matter. Also, I fully realize that either me or my girlfriend could potentially leave the other at any given moment, but it's not something I ever worry about. Part of that has to do with experience and my track record of success in that and similar areas, part of that has to do with our mutually agreeable qualities which are hard to find others, and part of that has to do with the sense of trust we have placed in each other (which has been earned, not just given without any consideration) I guess what I have said before to another person is true. It's in the doing.

I prefer to exercise my range within the expansive bubble that is my relationship. Unlike you, I do not feel constricted, as neither of us actively or passively holds each other back. If you are held back by your partners, I could understand why would feel that a relationship is constrictive. As for altruism and and benevolence, I am imbued with both qualities by nature, and exhibited those personality facets and more long before I ever even had an interest in friendship, much less relationships with the opposite sex. You might see it as a flaw. I use it as a strength. A strength that continues to become less and less common these days, due to societal shifts (perhaps).

I agree that Tempest2003 needs to take charge. No doubt. I also feel that the manner in which he takes charge should be tempered at least partially by the goal he seeks to attain. So, he should decide exactly what he wants, or close to that, and then choose a course of action which will net him the result he seeks.

 

[Baoh]

You: I'm going to the beach. Want to join?
Her: No, I'm need to blah blah blah...
You: Ok, enjoy yourself. I'll be seein' ya.

She wouldn't have given you the excuse about her ex-boyfriend, because you would have never asked for her any emotional attention. In fact, I bet if you had played your cards differently, she would have not told you so much about her ex-boyfriend and gladly gone to the beach with you.

You: I'm going to the beach, why don't you join me.
Her: Let me find my swimsuit.
You: You don't need it.
Her: Why not?
..........

Ditto on this. I would have said the same thing as the second conversation.

 

[plornive]

Your psycho-analytical evaluation is similar to what I'd have expected you to produce, but it simply is not what I experience. My emotions are generally stable towards a given end of the emotional spectrum. There is a shift when with someone, whether I love that person or not. That is noted. However, when I speak of a genuine relationship, I am talking about more than such a simple matter.

Oh really....
Actually I never meant to say your emotions were not stable. But you are right if you meant that I can't see much in a relationship beyond stability. You didn't really tell me exactly what it is that you get out of a relationship if it is not stability. That is why I spoke of "interesting feelings" to represent "higher consciousness" or something I don't really know much about.

The rest of the post, I agree. Although some people need to be "woken up" to their natural impulses, I will stop now and agree that one should have his/her own ideas and goals and do what it takes to accomplish them.

 

[Baoh]

My comments regarding emotional stability were in response to your assertion that I "prefer moderate co-dependence to build emotional stability".

I did not know what you meant by "interesting feelings" until you just explained it, though. Thank you. Describing this properly, though, leaves too much to be desired. That is why I simply sit back and say it is "in the doing". It's something I cannot properly convey through words alone, so I leave it be experienced.

I suspect that the difference between you and I is slight, and that our varied experiences make up that difference. If I were to walk in your shoes, and you to walk in mine, we just may be sitting on the opposite sides of this conversation.