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Fina users - be careful!!

Ffactor

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This January I had a complete physical done and my blood pressure, cholesterol were normal. Since then I've done 3 four week fina cycles at 150 mg/EOD. Last Frdiay I had another physical. My cholesterol was 380, blood pressure was 160/110, and heart ejection volume had gone down to 30% from 65%. I am on Lipitor, Lisenopril and Atenolol right now. So, just be careful. It might even be worth having some blood work done if you are on Fina. My guess is that since we are converting it at home, the oil and other impurities from it may be detrimental to cardiac function.
 
Ffactor said:
This January I had a complete physical done and my blood pressure, cholesterol were normal. Since then I've done 3 four week fina cycles at 150 mg/EOD. Last Frdiay I had another physical. My cholesterol was 380, blood pressure was 160/110, and heart ejection volume had gone down to 30% from 65%. I am on Lipitor, Lisenopril and Atenolol right now. So, just be careful. It might even be worth having some blood work done if you are on Fina. My guess is that since we are converting it at home, the oil and other impurities from it may be detrimental to cardiac function.

Wow, that's some serious news bro, I'm sorry to hear that. A few questions for you: how old are you? Do you have a family history of CVD including high bp and cholesterol problems? What's your diet and cycle history like other then the tren?

I ask because I did a tren cycle and it absoltutely no impact on my cholesterol or blood pressure. I know because I'm very conscience of those things and also have them checked fairly regularly. Mine was Spectro, however, which I know is made from TA powder (someone correct me if I'm talking aout of my ass here but I'm pretty sure that's correct) so it never saw the impurities that you're speaking of. Nevertheless it really gave me problems with BPH and psyche so I'll never take it again but that's another story. So my guess is that it very well could have been the impurities. Man that's scary, I wonder what's in it that's so toxic.

Well you better go into a healing period now bro. Hey there's a thread on here by liftsiron where I post some good info on heart health with some key supplements. Just do a search on "garlic" under the name liftsiron and you'll see my post it's pretty lengthy and starts out with some into on L-Carnitine for cardiomyopothy.

I do wish you all the best bro, take care of yourself.
 
Ffactor said:
This January I had a complete physical done and my blood pressure, cholesterol were normal. Since then I've done 3 four week fina cycles at 150 mg/EOD. Last Frdiay I had another physical. My cholesterol was 380, blood pressure was 160/110, and heart ejection volume had gone down to 30% from 65%. I am on Lipitor, Lisenopril and Atenolol right now. So, just be careful. It might even be worth having some blood work done if you are on Fina. My guess is that since we are converting it at home, the oil and other impurities from it may be detrimental to cardiac function.

ALA increase oxygen transport to the heart by about 32%.

You should use it.

My heart is A-Ok and I have done long and heavy fina cycles.

With the use of ALA you don't need to take such a panoply of other drugs.

And atenelol is not my best choice for reducing BP.

It'll make you drowsy as hell.

Fonz
 
Not to take anything away from the severity of your problem but once a week we have someone here screaming "the sky is falling". You posted details on what your cycle consisted on(well fina anyways) but you didnt make any indication if you were off cycle now and how long you have been off cycle. We all know that AAS has a detrimental impact on many system of the body, but most also return to normal in time. This is another reason why time off between cycles is so important, not just to let test levels return to normal but other blood profiles as well.
 
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40butpumpin said:


Wow, that's some serious news bro, I'm sorry to hear that. A few questions for you: how old are you? Do you have a family history of CVD including high bp and cholesterol problems? What's your diet and cycle history like other then the tren?

I ask because I did a tren cycle and it absoltutely no impact on my cholesterol or blood pressure. I know because I'm very conscience of those things and also have them checked fairly regularly. Mine was Spectro, however, which I know is made from TA powder (someone correct me if I'm talking aout of my ass here but I'm pretty sure that's correct) so it never saw the impurities that you're speaking of. Nevertheless it really gave me problems with BPH and psyche so I'll never take it again but that's another story. So my guess is that it very well could have been the impurities. Man that's scary, I wonder what's in it that's so toxic.

Thanks for the info, I will look it up!

Well you better go into a healing period now bro. Hey there's a thread on here by liftsiron where I post some good info on heart health with some key supplements. Just do a search on "garlic" under the name liftsiron and you'll see my post it's pretty lengthy and starts out with some into on L-Carnitine for cardiomyopothy.

I do wish you all the best bro, take care of yourself.
 
Re: Re: Fina users - be careful!!

Fonz said:


ALA increase oxygen transport to the heart by about 32%.

You should use it.

My heart is A-Ok and I have done long and heavy fina cycles.

With the use of ALA you don't need to take such a panoply of other drugs.

And atenelol is not my best choice for reducing BP.

It'll make you drowsy as hell.

Fonz

It does make me drowsy but it's dr. prescribed, that's what they want me to use. I will give the ALA a shot!
 
Zyglamail said:
Not to take anything away from the severity of your problem but once a week we have someone here screaming "the sky is falling". You posted details on what your cycle consisted on(well fina anyways) but you didnt make any indication if you were off cycle now and how long you have been off cycle. We all know that AAS has a detrimental impact on many system of the body, but most also return to normal in time. This is another reason why time off between cycles is so important, not just to let test levels return to normal but other blood profiles as well.

Interesting point. I was off for a month before having bloodwork done. It's very possible that if I had done the tests four months from now things would have been normal.
 
Ffactor said:


Interesting point. I was off for a month before having bloodwork done. It's very possible that if I had done the tests four months from now things would have been normal.
Still pretty bad levels for being off 4 weeks but 4 weeks also isnt that long. Have you been upfront with your doc on your use? Before the last cycle how many weeks was it prior to the cycle before it? Was anything else used during the the cycle. T3, clen, other AAS? Anything new to your eating and supplimentation habbits that werent in place last Jan?
 
Zyglamail said:
Still pretty bad levels for being off 4 weeks but 4 weeks also isnt that long. Have you been upfront with your doc on your use? Before the last cycle how many weeks was it prior to the cycle before it? Was anything else used during the the cycle. T3, clen, other AAS? Anything new to your eating and supplimentation habbits that werent in place last Jan?

Told the doc everything. Promised to stay off gear for four months. I was on four 4 weeks then off for 8.
 
Zyg raised some interesting points. Your EF can change throughout the day, and many things including drugs, exercise and neurohormonal aspects can alter EF. I would like to know if you told your Dr. about the AAS before the tests. Even if you had he may not know any different as far as treatment. His concern was to get the BP and cholesterol down. And these drugs will do it. Also, this was only one reading right? You can never go by just one reading. How do you feel overall? Are you still able to perform your normal daily tasks w/o any symptoms? Yes an EF of 35% would seem significant, but do you have any symptoms? (shortness of breath, dyspnea on exertion etc). All of your risk factors can be explainable: HTN, hyperlipidemia. You will probably find that when your BP comes down, your EF may improve. 165/110 is high, but I have seen much higher. The drugs you were prescribed are standard protocol. ACEI's are excellent drugs for lowering BP, controlling the neurohormonal aspect of HTN and preventing long term remodeling of the heart that occurs over time from HTN. Beta-blockers are also very effective in decreasing heart-rate and contractility(but like Zyg said come with sides), as well as combating the neurohormonal aspect. And Lipitor (HMG-CoA reductase inhibitor) is very effective in lowering cholesterol, but also has some nasty sides mainly concerning the liver and increased muscle breakdown(rhabdomyolysis). Rare but still significant. I know when many people run cycles these are the same sides they get over and over (HTN and altered lipid profile). If lifestyle modifications can't change these readings.......than drugs will. It doesn't make sense to run a 12 week cycle knowing your BP will increase and your lipid profile will change, and not do anything to change this. I don't know much about R-Ala (I'm sure the mods/other people do) but it seems like it might be considered a staple in battling some of these sides. I do know however that I would consider niacin (immediate release, not ER) for trying to keep lipid levels in check. Start with 500-1000 mg daily for one week and work up to the target dose of 2 g/day. It will take this much to get desired results. Pretreat the flush (if it is a problem w/ low dose aspirin, 1/2 regular or 1 baby). It is also metabolized by the liver so avoid other drugs known to be offenders (17-aa). It is proven effective to raise HDL and decrease LDL, although not as much as the statins. And for the BP, I have not found any OTC to be very effective, although I'm sure some are to some extent. But if you think about, the HTN mainly stems from increased blood volume and water retention (aromatization into estrogens), as well as increased CNS activity. There are many effective drugs for lowering BP while on cycle. I like the beta-blocker/thiazide combo- bisoprolol/hydrochlorothiazide. In combination this allows for lower dose of either and an added synergestic effect of both. Pros: are not as many sides. It makes sense because increased vascular volume and stimulated CNS can increase contractility of the heart- hence the B-blocker, and the edema-thiazide diuretic. I know it is always easier to tell someone else how to do things, but we all need to consider these potentially dangerous side effects and take care of them when they arise, or take precautionary measures to help prevent or decrease them.
And I really don't see how the impurities would cause these changes, unless due to major systemic infection.
 
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hey...eat the yolks in the eggs and watch your cholesterol go down,,,also the lipitor will kill you before the cholesterol and fina
DR Hal out
 
animal B said:
hey...eat the yolks in the eggs and watch your cholesterol go down,,,also the lipitor will kill you before the cholesterol and fina
DR Hal out

Excellent point, I missed that the first time. Statins (Lipitor) will suck CoQ10 right out of your body (including your heart). Your heart NEEDS CoQ10. You should get some, at least 100mg ed, ASAP.
 
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