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I was just looking through medline and came across this. I shortened it to include the shit that we care about. I seperated the parts that are the most interesting and added commentary at the end.
This paper will deal with anabolic agents in in the stricter sense of which mainly trenbolone acetate combined with hexestrol has been recommended for bull and heifer fattening. To consider possible consumer injury from ingestion of meat from anabolic agent treated animals, it is necessary to know the pharmacological properties of the agents, the doses producing certain effects or might produce, and the levels of residues in the meat. Trenbolone acetate will be compared with the following anabolic agents: methenolone acetate, methandrostenolone, nandrone, androstanazole, and 19-nortestosterone. The activity spectrum of trenbolone acetate is similar to that of 19-nortestosterone or those anabolics that are derived from 19-nortestosterone. The compound has about three times stronger androgenic effect than testosterone propionate. Its index of dissociation between anabolic/androgenic activity is 2--3. This index is 3--10 for the other anabolic agents.
As regards the virilizing potency, trenbolone acetate is also on the top of the list. It seems that androgenicity and degree of virilization run paralle. The antigonadotropic activity (inhibition of ovulation and testicular growth) of trenbolone acetate exceeds that of testosterone propionate by the factor 3.
The compound is not estrogenic and seemingly not or only weakly progestationally active.
In principle, the androgenic activity (symptoms of virilization) as well as the antigonadotropic effect (disturbances of the menstrual cycle in women, inhibition of spermiogenesis in men) of trenbolone acetate might be noted. This risk, however, can be excluded by mere calculation.
In rats, 0.1 mg/kg trenbolone acetate have an antigonadotropic effect. This corresponds to a daily dose of 5--7 mg in humans.
By the same extrapolation, a daily human dose of 100 mg can be calculated for androgenic activity. Such factors of conversion are, of course, not precise because rats are much less sensitive to androgens and anabolics than humans. Thus, testosterone propionate is active only in daily doses of 10--20 mg. If in humans trenbolone acetate also has three times the activity of testosterone propionate, effects in man had to be counted with not less than a daily intake of 3--5 mg trenbolone acetate. The dose which is recommended for livestock fattening is 300 mg. IT can, therefore, be excluded almost with certainty that the meat would contain such large amounts of hormone residues.
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Commentary-
This paper concludes that you aren't going to get enough tren in your system to get androgenic effects. That's not really important...what is important to note here is that if cattle are implanted w/ 300mg, and some amount of that is still remaining in their system (apparant by the fact that this study was done) thus by eating beef everyday you are most likely going to get a certain amount of tren everyday. Therefore, the cutoff levels for tren in drug tests have to be reasonable to account for high meat usage by athletes. While the ppl on this board who say you can pass any drug test on fina are probably not right (go to www.usapowerlifting.com and click on banned members, scroll down till you see someone caught w/ trenbolone), it probably is true that the real detection time for fina is not 6 months or whatever as predicted, rather, signficantly lower. How low, who knows...
Also interesting was that this stuff is 3x more anti nuts than test. prop at similiar dose...and that it was noted that tren was either "not or only weakly progest. active"...this kinda confirms the near 0 ppl who have gyno problems on fina w/o winny.
This paper will deal with anabolic agents in in the stricter sense of which mainly trenbolone acetate combined with hexestrol has been recommended for bull and heifer fattening. To consider possible consumer injury from ingestion of meat from anabolic agent treated animals, it is necessary to know the pharmacological properties of the agents, the doses producing certain effects or might produce, and the levels of residues in the meat. Trenbolone acetate will be compared with the following anabolic agents: methenolone acetate, methandrostenolone, nandrone, androstanazole, and 19-nortestosterone. The activity spectrum of trenbolone acetate is similar to that of 19-nortestosterone or those anabolics that are derived from 19-nortestosterone. The compound has about three times stronger androgenic effect than testosterone propionate. Its index of dissociation between anabolic/androgenic activity is 2--3. This index is 3--10 for the other anabolic agents.
As regards the virilizing potency, trenbolone acetate is also on the top of the list. It seems that androgenicity and degree of virilization run paralle. The antigonadotropic activity (inhibition of ovulation and testicular growth) of trenbolone acetate exceeds that of testosterone propionate by the factor 3.
The compound is not estrogenic and seemingly not or only weakly progestationally active.
In principle, the androgenic activity (symptoms of virilization) as well as the antigonadotropic effect (disturbances of the menstrual cycle in women, inhibition of spermiogenesis in men) of trenbolone acetate might be noted. This risk, however, can be excluded by mere calculation.
In rats, 0.1 mg/kg trenbolone acetate have an antigonadotropic effect. This corresponds to a daily dose of 5--7 mg in humans.
By the same extrapolation, a daily human dose of 100 mg can be calculated for androgenic activity. Such factors of conversion are, of course, not precise because rats are much less sensitive to androgens and anabolics than humans. Thus, testosterone propionate is active only in daily doses of 10--20 mg. If in humans trenbolone acetate also has three times the activity of testosterone propionate, effects in man had to be counted with not less than a daily intake of 3--5 mg trenbolone acetate. The dose which is recommended for livestock fattening is 300 mg. IT can, therefore, be excluded almost with certainty that the meat would contain such large amounts of hormone residues.
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Commentary-
This paper concludes that you aren't going to get enough tren in your system to get androgenic effects. That's not really important...what is important to note here is that if cattle are implanted w/ 300mg, and some amount of that is still remaining in their system (apparant by the fact that this study was done) thus by eating beef everyday you are most likely going to get a certain amount of tren everyday. Therefore, the cutoff levels for tren in drug tests have to be reasonable to account for high meat usage by athletes. While the ppl on this board who say you can pass any drug test on fina are probably not right (go to www.usapowerlifting.com and click on banned members, scroll down till you see someone caught w/ trenbolone), it probably is true that the real detection time for fina is not 6 months or whatever as predicted, rather, signficantly lower. How low, who knows...
Also interesting was that this stuff is 3x more anti nuts than test. prop at similiar dose...and that it was noted that tren was either "not or only weakly progest. active"...this kinda confirms the near 0 ppl who have gyno problems on fina w/o winny.
