Tren is just plain good in my mind. It works well alone, so if you wanted to see what just tren would do for you tren alone is fine. Since it can have a detrimental impact on labido for many running test with it is a good idea if thats a concern. EQ works well with it as well. I personally love the tren/EQ/test stack. Throw an oral in fir the first feew weeks if ya like, ie winny, var, dbol.