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Fina & HPTA Recovery....my current cycle..

Stillgoing

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Ok - I'm 36yrs old, 6'2, 260, between 10-15% bf. I was shut-down hard after a test/deca cycle last summer. It took a good 6 months and 2 HCG/nolv/clomid runs to get my levels back to 400 total test. I'm running prop/fina right now. I am going to go 8wks on the prop. My current thought was to run the fina only 4wks to attempt to make recovery from it easier. I am going to run HCG weeks 6-8 and start clomid 3 days after last prop shot.

Question: would running fina 6wks instead of 4wks negatively impact my recovery process, or, will it make little difference? If it won't make a big difference, I would prefer to get a couple more weeks of it in.

I'd appreciate any thoughts......thanks.....
 
From what I have heard Fina shuts you down. No matter how much you take or how long your on.

So I would say go 6 weeks, and deal with recovery then.
 
Stillgoing said:
Ok - I'm 36yrs old, 6'2, 260, between 10-15% bf. I was shut-down hard after a test/deca cycle last summer. It took a good 6 months and 2 HCG/nolv/clomid runs to get my levels back to 400 total test. I'm running prop/fina right now. I am going to go 8wks on the prop. My current thought was to run the fina only 4wks to attempt to make recovery from it easier. I am going to run HCG weeks 6-8 and start clomid 3 days after last prop shot.

Question: would running fina 6wks instead of 4wks negatively impact my recovery process, or, will it make little difference? If it won't make a big difference, I would prefer to get a couple more weeks of it in.

I'd appreciate any thoughts......thanks.....

Hey, bro. I did 4 weeks of tren and I was shut down VERY hard. Would I have been shut down any worse if I had continured two more weeks? I honestly do not know. Are you doing ed or eod injects of tren? What dose are you doing? Looking back, for me 6 weeks of 75mg+ would be too much.

One thing I'll tell you bro is that I was shut down much harder with tren than I ever was on deca and I've run deca at least 4 different times. But I guess everyone responds differently and I may be less sensitive to deca than you so that may not help you very much.

One thing I would strongly suggest is if you stop your prop on week 8 then don't start the HCG until week 10. Then run it two weeks, wait a few days and then start your Clomid. I don't see any point in running HCG with your blood levels of test still high. I just don't see how HPTA will respond to HCG that way. I heard of doing what you've suggested and even running HCG mid cycle, however, after some thought and research of my own, I've come to the conclusion that it is a waste. But if someone has other info I'd love to hear about it.

Good luck, bro! :)
 
Re: Re: Fina & HPTA Recovery....my current cycle..

40butpumpin said:


Hey, bro. I did 4 weeks of tren and I was shut down VERY hard. Would I have been shut down any worse if I had continured two more weeks? I honestly do not know. Are you doing ed or eod injects of tren? What dose are you doing? Looking back, for me 6 weeks of 75mg+ would be too much.

One thing I'll tell you bro is that I was shut down much harder with tren than I ever was on deca and I've run deca at least 4 different times. But I guess everyone responds differently and I may be less sensitive to deca than you so that may not help you very much.

One thing I would strongly suggest is if you stop your prop on week 8 then don't start the HCG until week 10. Then run it two weeks, wait a few days and then start your Clomid. I don't see any point in running HCG with your blood levels of test still high. I just don't see how HPTA will respond to HCG that way. I heard of doing what you've suggested and even running HCG mid cycle, however, after some thought and research of my own, I've come to the conclusion that it is a waste. But if someone has other info I'd love to hear about it.

Good luck, bro! :)

40,

Why wait till week 10 to start HCG? Prop will be out 3-4 days after last inject. So, won't I be "naked" from weeks 8-10? Also - my understanding of HCG is that it in itself shuts you down. The effect we seek is the re-sensitization of LH. So, the theory is run HCG while still on to resensitize, then when exo test ceases, you hit clomid to begin recovery. Thoughts??
 
Re: Re: Fina & HPTA Recovery....my current cycle..

40butpumpin said:


Hey, bro. I did 4 weeks of tren and I was shut down VERY hard. Would I have been shut down any worse if I had continured two more weeks? I honestly do not know. Are you doing ed or eod injects of tren? What dose are you doing? Looking back, for me 6 weeks of 75mg+ would be too much.

One thing I'll tell you bro is that I was shut down much harder with tren than I ever was on deca and I've run deca at least 4 different times. But I guess everyone responds differently and I may be less sensitive to deca than you so that may not help you very much.

One thing I would strongly suggest is if you stop your prop on week 8 then don't start the HCG until week 10. Then run it two weeks, wait a few days and then start your Clomid. I don't see any point in running HCG with your blood levels of test still high. I just don't see how HPTA will respond to HCG that way. I heard of doing what you've suggested and even running HCG mid cycle, however, after some thought and research of my own, I've come to the conclusion that it is a waste. But if someone has other info I'd love to hear about it.

Good luck, bro! :)

By the way, I assume that is one of your daughters in your avatar. She is very cute!!....
 
Hey Bro,
I agree with a lot of what 40BP says. You may find tren is kind to you, and you're just very sensitive to Deca. Who knows?
One thing though, and I know we've been round and round about this, but I think HCG during the cycle is a good thing. Get some leydig cell hypertrophy happening. Don't want to boost my test AND estradiol levels just when I'm trying to bring the axis back on line. Am I off base here?

PS: 40BP, cute kid! My girl's 10, boy's 13, gotta love 'em!
 
buffdoc said:
Hey Bro,
I agree with a lot of what 40BP says. You may find tren is kind to you, and you're just very sensitive to Deca. Who knows?
One thing though, and I know we've been round and round about this, but I think HCG during the cycle is a good thing. Get some leydig cell hypertrophy happening. Don't want to boost my test AND estradiol levels just when I'm trying to bring the axis back on line. Am I off base here?

PS: 40BP, cute kid! My girl's 10, boy's 13, gotta love 'em!

Doc, HCG during the cycle as opposed to after, or, both?
 
I did 6 weeks of fina... it slammed me hard. Real hard. All the clomid and Nolva in the world didn't do shit. IF I had some Hcg at that point, I'm sure it would have worked...

However, why go on 4 if you can do 6??? I dont think there will be any more or less shut down, you will be shut down at 4 weeks... 2 more weeks won't matter.

c-ditty
 
Citruscide said:
I did 6 weeks of fina... it slammed me hard. Real hard. All the clomid and Nolva in the world didn't do shit. IF I had some Hcg at that point, I'm sure it would have worked...

However, why go on 4 if you can do 6??? I dont think there will be any more or less shut down, you will be shut down at 4 weeks... 2 more weeks won't matter.

c-ditty

Is this THE c-ditty??.....j/k......thanks for responding, good point.....:)
 
Stillgoing, in answer to your question, basically, there isn't going to be a big difference between 4 weeks and 6 weeks, so you might as well keep going.

Now, have you thought about a Dbol bridge? Or even, if you had it/could afford it, an Anavar bridge? If you're really concerned about the time it's going to take to get things back to normal after having run tren, then why not make your post-cycle recovery as far out from the cessation of the tren as possible?

If you have it, I'd also consider running your prop for 10 weeks. Maybe even lowering the dose for weeks 9-10.

Hmmm.. I'm going to have to explain myself here.. this would be a bit easier in conversation.. lol Basically, the BB community as a whole is a great community, but in general, one of extremes. All carbs, no carbs, all taper-cycles, no-taper-cycles, etc. I don't believe that tapering is going to get your body to start making any test, yes, as long as there's exogenous test, and you're already shut down, you'll stay shut down. However, your muscle growth is based on, and used to a certain amount of test, e.g. 500-750mg/wk. If you go from 750mg/wk to 0mg/wk, that's going to be quite a shock to the system in terms of overall strength and ability to keep it, even if you get your nuts back in a day, that's only ~150mg/wk. Why not lower your dose for a few weeks to 250mg/wk and see if you can get your body accustomed to maintaining its current size/strength at that dose, and then come down a bit further. You can see where long, or "never-ending" cycles start to make a lot of sense, and a lot of gains, when done properly. There are some people implementing this basic method already, and don't even really realize they're doing it. That's basically why I'd run an extra couple weeks of prop, to help solidify your gains. You'll also be pushing your recovery back 2 more weeks, and giving your system more time to adjust from being "shut down" by the tren.

To tren and deca. Personally, I've never experienced greater "shut down" from either of these than any other anabolics. The difference is that they decrease libido while test and other anabolics increase libido. I think this is where a certain misconception or misperception of being shut down arises. I could be wrong, but I haven't seen anything that shows that tren or nandrolone shut you down "more" than anything else. I don't even see how this is possible. Either your body is producing its own testosterone, or it's not.

The rest of your recovery, etc., I think is easily addressed by a lot of other very knowledgeable board members, I'm just offering you a few things to think about.
-B
 
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