Fina Homebrewers respond

[bigmk]

There is a thread on another board talking about heating your homebrew fina at the end of the conversion process to sterilize the final product. While I have done this from the start, the argument is it may destroy or damage the active ingredient (hormone). Give me your feedback. To heat or not to heat. Any studies or articles on this?

 

[gymratforlife]

From my own experiences you dont need to heat it.Although I have heated it before the only thing it really does is oxidise the fina causing it to turn an ugly orangy color.Still works fine either way,just looks better if you dont bake it.

 

[johnny g]

There is a thread on another board talking about heating your homebrew fina at the end of the conversion process to sterilize the final product. While I have done this from the start, the argument is it may destroy or damage the active ingredient (hormone). Give me your feedback. To heat or not to heat. Any studies or articles on this?

I have converted over 10 kits already. Never ever used heat except for one kit for time purposes. The kit that I heated turned a darker color, It was the first step while the pellets were sitting in BA. I put the bottle in a sink with hot tap water for 10 minutes. It didn't make a difference. As for the kits I didn't use heat for (almost all) I have no complaints on absesses or infection. My kits came from Finafarm.

 

[jay1]

Good thread as I'll be starting the dissolving process tonight.

 

[flex2win]

I also put mine in the oven after I'm done, 250 degrees for 10 min, 3x...

 

[Bobber]

I like heating mine for 45 minutes at 250 degrees. I just feel more comfortable that way.

 

[trinidad]

I tried it once and baked mine for sterility. Thing was I still ended up with an infection in my glute.

 

[Tux]

Heating it won't degrade the tren. It's a steroid not a protein. Proteins denature with heat, but you could heat tren up to it's boiling point, which is well above the 250 you might bake it at, and nothing would happen. There's no need to bake it though, the BA in the solution will be plenty to sterilize it. I only heat to help the gear dissolve faster, and to speed the filtering process, as warm oil is much less viscous.

 

[Apexx]

I've only whipped up one batch so far, but I followed the intructions and didn't heat it.
Everything turned out a beautiful golden color and three weeks later there no infections.

 

[tubob]

melting point of the hormone is around 400 degrees im lead to believe so baking around 250 isnt going to effect it

 

[cougar8]

There is a thread on another board talking about heating your homebrew fina at the end of the conversion process to sterilize the final product. While I have done this from the start, the argument is it may destroy or damage the active ingredient (hormone). Give me your feedback. To heat or not to heat. Any studies or articles on this?

I have never heated it and I haven't had any problems with sterilization. If you are clean and sterile during the process there really isn't a need.

 

[Mr_MAX]

I've only whipped up one batch so far, but I followed the intructions and didn't heat it.
Everything turned out a beautiful golden color and three weeks later there no infections.

u using that batch... you had mail trouble with..??
so everything is working out good... ??
what are you running with your tren?

 

[Apexx]

u using that batch... you had mail trouble with..??
so everything is working out good... ??
what are you running with your tren?

Yeah bro everything worked out ok. They sent out another shipment and I had it two days after I posted that thread.

Everything worked out great.

I'm running 100mg/tren & 100mg/prop eod along with 30mg/dbol ed.

 

[Brawl]

A couple questions for you guys . Are you making tren from pellets or from powder ?

I've made both and when making from pellets I filtered it once out of about 10 times making it . I just dont touch the gunk at the bottom of the vial .I have NEVER had an infection . You guys must be peeing on your hands before you stick yourselves . Either that or your immune systems are weak .

If you make it from powder , bake it . Powder wont crystalize if you bake it for about 20 mins .

 

[Apexx]

A couple questions for you guys . Are you making tren from pellets or from powder ?

I've made both and when making from pellets I filtered it once out of about 10 times making it . I just dont touch the gunk at the bottom of the vial .I have NEVER had an infection . You guys must be peeing on your hands before you stick yourselves . Either that or your immune systems are weak .

If you make it from powder , bake it . Powder wont crystalize if you bake it for about 20 mins .

what are you talking about. Out of 14 replies, only 1 person said that they got an infection.

 

[Brawl]

I know bro but I know other guys that get infections from damn near every different kind of gear ... I'm just giving everyone crap .

 

[FlexManning]

I actually bought the entire kit from finafarm, the one with the DVD and everything, and I watched the video. (Although I had previously made a 2g kit from pumpnpose.)

Finafarm strongly recommends that the solution not be heated and I tend to agree. The probability of damaging the solution with heat or damaging the vial in some way would seem much greater than that of getting an infection from a properly prepared solution. The Whatman filter itself is capable of rendering the solution sterile from my understanding, much less the alcohol.

I've heard of various ways the heat can damage the solution, I'm not a chemist so I don't care to argue it to any great degree. But I would theorize one way might be that particles could be created larger than the Whatman had filtered out. I know that I unwisely tried to microwave at one point during the process with my first kit (after prefiltering but before filtering through the Whatman) and the Whatman clogged up fairly quickly. Of course that could have been for a variety of reasons, but again, in my estimation even the chance of damaging the stopper or something of that nature is more likely than getting an infection from the properly prepared solution. Too, I worry that baking causes evaporation of the alcohol, but again I'm not a chemist.

 

[FlexManning]

Oh, I just noticed I wrote that Finafarm recommends the solution not be "heated", but they simply recommend it not be baked or microwaved. The guy in the video does heat the solution with warm water outside of the vial, but we're really talking about just speeding the process up a bit and not sterilization.

 

[bigmk]

Great responses! Anyone else want to chime in? Seems to me this debate will linger on. There does not seem to be any definitive proof either way. Anyone with some literature on this subject?

 

[tubob]

you could use a .22 whatman instead of a .45

heres some info http://www.whatman.com/repository/documents/s7/Syringe_Filters_Overview_pg61.pdf

 

[bigmk]

bump for more responses.

 

[ryan04]

I heated mine at 225 degrees for 20 min. just to be safe. It is still nice and golden and does not hurt at all.

 

[Demonix]

When I did my syno kit - it was kind of messy even though I was really careful. Heating it doesn't hurt it so I did just to be safe.

 

[trenfan2]

Great responses! Anyone else want to chime in? Seems to me this debate will linger on. There does not seem to be any definitive proof either way. Anyone with some literature on this subject?

Ok, I have made many batches. Never heated. Never had an infection issue. I have alway used the .45 whatman filter with no problems, I suppose if you had all day you could use a .22, but not necessary IMO.