Filling out your frame

[bivk]

I've been weightlifting since highschool and I'm college now but the one thing I've noticed is I'm the same exact frame as back in highschool. The shit bothers me alot. I do cycles in order to completely fill out my frame so I look pretty big for my size. I'm around 5'10 and at 180lbs but it sure as hell doesn't seem like it for some reason. I barely carry any body fat except for around the stomach region.

I don't know, I'm puzzled. I'm completely confused on how size is really calibrated on your body. Is it due to bone size? or what? Alot of guys have thick bone density and it seems when they gain weight muscle tends to work out alot better filling out the frame.

You hear stories of people going from being skinny to huge but I don't see how this is possible. Your gaining weight on the same size frame it just seems unnaturally unproportional.

I have friends who pretty much vary in weight, but some that are around the same exact weight and height. This shit just confuses me. I never really understood this. But they'll have the same stats, but one will look so much thicker than the other even though they weigh the same and bf% is usually around the same.

I don't see myself that big for my frame. Plus my frame seems small for some reason even though its not. Wrists are pretty small, and my arms are lagging, but I don't know I'm just lost. Problem is I just don't see how I could fill out my frame anymore even though I'm not that big. The more weight I gain the less ability I have to tell if I changed at all.

I'm confused as fuck when it comes to this shit. Just weird how some people seem way thicker than others. If I were to get up to 220 or so for example I would look nothing compared to some of my friends at 220 even though we have the same height. Just don't know what its all based on.

Anyone else as confused as me or what?

 

[bivk]

Anyone?

 

[thelion2005]

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=437520&page=3&pp=20&highlight=proportion

Take a look at this post and my repy towards the end.

I think if you understand "proportion" from the classic physique standpoint, it will help.

 

[Makavelli]

It's genetics bro. I have some friends that have trained for years, but by looking at them you'd never know it. You would think that they don't even belong to a gym. They know their genetics suck. They just like training. It all depends on the density of the muscle bellies. The more dense, and therefore the more receptors, the larger and quicker the muscles will grow. Billowing muscle bellies are ideal. Think of Flex Wheeler. His muscle bellies look cartoonish. That's why he responds so well to training and AAS. I wish I could give you a more encouraging response, but hey that's life.

 

[wayneboard1]

It's genetics bro. I have some friends that have trained for years, but by looking at them you'd never know it. You would think that they don't even belong to a gym. They know their genetics suck. They just like training. It all depends on the density of the muscle bellies. The more dense, and therefore the more receptors, the larger and quicker the muscles will grow. Billowing muscle bellies are ideal. Think of Flex Wheeler. His muscle bellies look cartoonish. That's why he responds so well to training and AAS. I wish I could give you a more encouraging response, but hey that's life.

Good answer mak.

 

[pogo]

It's genetics bro. I have some friends that have trained for years, but by looking at them you'd never know it. You would think that they don't even belong to a gym. They know their genetics suck. They just like training. It all depends on the density of the muscle bellies. The more dense, and therefore the more receptors, the larger and quicker the muscles will grow. Billowing muscle bellies are ideal. Think of Flex Wheeler. His muscle bellies look cartoonish. That's why he responds so well to training and AAS. I wish I could give you a more encouraging response, but hey that's life.

I'm a lean type build/ectomorph - one of my buddies said no matter how much gear I did I'd never get HUGE. I guess he was right?

 

[wayneboard1]

I'm a lean type build/ectomorph - one of my buddies said no matter how much gear I did I'd never get HUGE. I guess he was right?

Maybe not as huge as me being I am an endomorph. However you can shed fat MUCH easier than I can so you win the ripped catagory hands down. I would never says never, but it will take some hard work. I say give it your all and prove him wrong. You might never get as huge as say say arnold or the freaks today like ronnie. But frank zane is doable. He was 5'9" about 190 and RIPPED. I would give my right nut for that physique any day. Good luck bro.

 

[Prizz]

Maybe not as huge as me being I am an endomorph. However you can shed fat MUCH easier than I can so you win the ripped catagory hands down. I would never says never, but it will take some hard work. I say give it your all and prove him wrong. You might never get as huge as say say arnold or the freaks today like ronnie. But frank zane is doable. He was 5'9" about 190 and RIPPED. I would give my right nut for that physique any day. Good luck bro.

I'm just like you Wayne, Endo/Mesomorphic, get fat really easy, but get big easy too..... I would trade spots with an Ecto anyday of the week..... Frank Zane is pretty damn Ecto, and looked amazing in his day, so with proper nutrition and AAS use, there is hope for ya....

rizz

 

[Crappiie]

Ive got the same prob. as bivk. Great thread to read.

 

[Makavelli]

Maybe not as huge as me being I am an endomorph. However you can shed fat MUCH easier than I can so you win the ripped catagory hands down. I would never says never, but it will take some hard work. I say give it your all and prove him wrong. You might never get as huge as say say arnold or the freaks today like ronnie. But frank zane is doable. He was 5'9" about 190 and RIPPED. I would give my right nut for that physique any day. Good luck bro.

That's right Wayne. Don't worry that you'll never look like Arnold or Ronnie. Nobody will look like them. Just maximize what you do have and thank God that you're healthy enough to train. I think in this sport it's very easy for us to lose sight that we are healthier and in better shape than 99.9% of the population. Be proud and do your best.

 

[1392477]

I think in this sport it's very easy for us to lose sight that we are healthier and in better shape than 99.9% of the population. Be proud and do your best.

Makavelli summed it up well - we all have to learn to live with our limitations either mental, educational or physical. I cannot learn other languages to save my life but I can lift more than 99.9% of the population so I accept my weaknesses and focus on my strengths.

 

[monopoly19]

I'm sorry bro, but genetics are only so much of the equation. I would say I have pretty bad genetics. I started at 6"3 180lbs, now 6"4 235. Like you, I started lifting in H.S. and college. My training and diet didn't get decent until I was a senior in college. I would venture a guess that your training routine is shit, or your not eating near enough. I was able to reach 223 natty, but couldn't maintain it. Have once cycle under the belt, on second one right now. At your height and weight, I would say stay away from the sauce. Just my opinion though.

Monopoly

 

[Makavelli]

I'm sorry bro, but genetics are only so much of the equation.

Monopoly

You must not have been around this sport very long. Genetics are everything. I've seen guys that will naturally smoke guys running lots of AAS. They are few and far between, but they're out there. If genetics are not that important, then why doesn't everyone who uses AAS look like Arnold or Ronnie?

 

[monopoly19]

I didn't say genetics weren't a big deal, I said it's not the only thing to take into consideration. In my personal experience, if someone is fat or skinny and can't gain/lose weight, it's genetics if you ask them.

The true freaks that are out there are just that, genetic freaks. It wouldn't matter how much I ate/trained/juiced, I would never be a pro. That's probably 90% of the people that train as well.

But when people like this guy, who are 5'10, 180 after SEVERAL cycles, I call bullshit. You might have poor genetics, but I will say it's more like poor willpower.

Monopoly

 

[wayneboard1]

I didn't say genetics weren't a big deal, I said it's not the only thing to take into consideration. In my personal experience, if someone is fat or skinny and can't gain/lose weight, it's genetics if you ask them.

The true freaks that are out there are just that, genetic freaks. It wouldn't matter how much I ate/trained/juiced, I would never be a pro. That's probably 90% of the people that train as well.

But when people like this guy, who are 5'10, 180 after SEVERAL cycles, I call bullshit. You might have poor genetics, but I will say it's more like poor willpower.

Monopoly

Wow...this is suprising. Another newbie with all the answers. I can't recall the last time this happened. Oh yeah wait.....10 minutes ago.

 

[boops]

Wow...this is suprising. Another newbie with all the answers. I can't recall the last time this happened. Oh yeah wait.....10 minutes ago.

a newbie because of a low post count or because he has his own opinion and disagrees with people considered vets on here.......not saying he is right or wrong but what i am saying is this post count/newbie thing is out of hand...

 

[monopoly19]

I never said I had all the answeres, I wasn't trying to come off as arrogant. If I did, I'm sorry.

Just because I've never posted on this board before doesn't make me a newbie though. I didn't come on here asking stupid questions and calling other people morons. I offered my thoughts on this topic. Guess I'll just go back to reading on here instead of trying to help.

Monopoly

 

[wayneboard1]

I've been weightlifting since highschool and I'm college now but the one thing I've noticed is I'm the same exact frame as back in highschool. The shit bothers me alot. I do cycles in order to completely fill out my frame so I look pretty big for my size. I'm around 5'10 and at 180lbs but it sure as hell doesn't seem like it for some reason. I barely carry any body fat except for around the stomach region.

I don't know, I'm puzzled. I'm completely confused on how size is really calibrated on your body. Is it due to bone size? or what? Alot of guys have thick bone density and it seems when they gain weight muscle tends to work out alot better filling out the frame.

You hear stories of people going from being skinny to huge but I don't see how this is possible. Your gaining weight on the same size frame it just seems unnaturally unproportional.

I have friends who pretty much vary in weight, but some that are around the same exact weight and height. This shit just confuses me. I never really understood this. But they'll have the same stats, but one will look so much thicker than the other even though they weigh the same and bf% is usually around the same.

I don't see myself that big for my frame. Plus my frame seems small for some reason even though its not. Wrists are pretty small, and my arms are lagging, but I don't know I'm just lost. Problem is I just don't see how I could fill out my frame anymore even though I'm not that big. The more weight I gain the less ability I have to tell if I changed at all.

I'm confused as fuck when it comes to this shit. Just weird how some people seem way thicker than others. If I were to get up to 220 or so for example I would look nothing compared to some of my friends at 220 even though we have the same height. Just don't know what its all based on.

Anyone else as confused as me or what?

Hey bro, lets try and get you some help. Monopoly19 is going to try and get you dialed in. So please post up your routine, a sample of a typical days diet, cycles run, etc so we can see where you can be tweaked. Oh and you had better not be 20 years old or not only is monopoly gonna get some mad karma, but I will bomb you into next week.

 

[wayneboard1]

I never said I had all the answeres, I wasn't trying to come off as arrogant. If I did, I'm sorry.

Just because I've never posted on this board before doesn't make me a newbie though. I didn't come on here asking stupid questions and calling other people morons. I offered my thoughts on this topic. Guess I'll just go back to reading on here instead of trying to help.

Monopoly

Nope, if you have real knowledge this board wants it.

 

[boops]

Your post count/karma count doesn't have as much to do with it as your attitude. You come across like a yank. Plus, the fact is you don't know if this is a genetic limit issue or willpower issue anymore than I do. I work with guys that have been working out, eating right, doing just about everything they can (gear included) and they still can't gain size of any magnitude. My calves belong on a 9 year old girl scout, but thats not from lack of willpower, it's from genetics. The fact of the matter is that not everyone is the same, not everyone can pack on the muscle/lose the fat no matter how much willpower they have or how "right" they do everything.

So here is your chance to show that your small karma doesn't do your experience/knowledge justice. Educate us my man. Whats the thread starter doing wrong? Setting aside the willpower issue for a second, why don't you ask the thread starter some questions to see what he is doing wrong in your eyes and help him. Show us you deserve the respect you demand. I'll be the first one give you kudos if you can.

you could have saved yourself some time and just not bothered to write this, i DO help people LOL and i dont need your "blessing" to put forth what knowledge/experience i have....i answer things as to what i have done not what i heard and ive echoed this for some time....i never demanded respect in anything i wrote and the fact that you said i did so is pretty funny, please educate me for a minute and show me where i demanded respect from a moniker on a message board...i have respect from the people i need it from (family,child, co-workers, friends and somewhere at the very bottom of that list is a mesage board).....

ps show your mighty power and bomb me now like thats gonna affect me

your small mind shows through when you cant accept when someone disagrees with what you say, i guess in your world you are the man (sad)

 

[wayneboard1]

you could have saved yourself some time and just not bothered to write this, i DO help people LOL and i dont need your "blessing" to put forth what knowledge/experience i have....i answer things as to what i have done not what i heard and ive echoed this for some time....i never demanded respect in anything i wrote and the fact that you said i did so is pretty funny, please educate me for a minute and show me where i demanded respect from a moniker on a message board...i have respect from the people i need it from (family,child, co-workers, friends and somewhere at the very bottom of that list is a mesage board).....

ps show your mighty power and bomb me now like thats gonna affect me

your small mind shows through when you cant accept when someone disagrees with what you say, i guess in your world you are the man (sad)

My post was deleted because it was posted towards the wrong person, it was meant for monopoly so calm down princess. It was however an attempt top get ths thread starter some help so since you say you help people, help him. I don't think you can personally. And I'm not going to bomb you you ass. LOL And yes I am the man....I'm glad you see that now.

 

[boops]

My post was deleted because it was posted towards the wrong person, it was meant for monopoly so calm down princess. It was however an attempt top get ths thread starter some help so since you say you help people, help him. I don't think you can personally. And I'm not going to bomb you you ass. LOL And yes I am the man....I'm glad you see that now.

personally it doesnt matter to me whether you think i can or cant help but in any event.....

mak pretty much gave it to him and genetics are a huge part of what we do, either you have it or you dont....sorry i didnt feel the need to increase my post count and answer something that had pretty much been laid out for the guy posting....seems to happen alot

to the guy posting just take what ya read here in stride and forumlate your own opnion.....

peace
princess

 

[wayneboard1]

personally it doesnt matter to me whether you think i can or cant help but in any event.....

mak pretty much gave it to him and genetics are a huge part of what we do, either you have it or you dont....sorry i didnt feel the need to increase my post count and answer something that had pretty much been laid out for the guy posting....seems to happen alot

to the guy posting just take what ya read here in stride and forumlate your own opnion.....

peace
princess

"personally it doesnt matter to me whether you think i can or cant help but in any event....."

I expected that answer.

"to the guy posting just take what ya read here in stride and forumlate your own opnion....."

Thats good advice, but why not help him? All joking aside here, offer up some advice. If you have the knowledge regardless of K points then share it. If it isn't crap advice, then I want to obtain it.

Come on princess.

 

[boops]

Good answer mak.

you mean an answer like this one....

 

[timtim]

your training might be the problem. if you want to grow i would suggest really setting up a caloric need and surplus - i think you said your ripped naturally so you can add so body fat and probably still be lean - and then look at your training. your body adapts to reps in 3 weeks (give or take) and adapts to routines in a similar amount of time. try lifting really heavy for 3 week phases going from 10 rep sets (3 to 4 sets of 10 with weight you can only move for 10, stay with the same weight for all the sets). after 3 weeks move to 8 rep sets, then after 3 weeks to 5 rep sets, 5 sets, then 3 weeks later 5 sets of 3 reps. the low rep sets will help you push much heavier weight which will help activate more fast twitch muscle fiber in your upper body. the fast twitch are the bigger fibers. doing high rep sets constantly will yield no progress. also, change exercises every workout or every other to keep the body guessing. your body does not adapt to an exercise but the muscle activation to move your body. by changing exercises every workout you keep the body from creating efficient cns stimulation requiring more muscle to do similar movements. this means your body figures out how to do a flat bench db press and when it recognizes the pathway to complete the movement, the signal is sent quicker by being routed through the quickest channel, an adaptive response. by changing the reps and sets consistently this is avoided (to an extent) and allows more muscle fiber activation which results in more growth.

hope this helps. and genetics are a very big part of where you will be.

 

[Joe Stenson]

lol, what's wrong with you guys? A guy posts something that's BANG-ON, and just because he has a low post count he can't possibly know what he's talking about .

If you're 5'10 180lbs and have run multiple cycles, something isn't right...period. Chances are it's your diet, but it could be your training. Regardless, it's something and blaming genetics is a cop-out. Blame genetics for having a $#%@ty metabolism or having no peak on your bis, but at 5'10 180 lbs you're nowhere near your genetic potential no matter who you are.

Mak is right in that you'll never look like Ronnie Coleman, so yes, genetics determine your potential...but when you're nowhere near your potential in the first place you need to take a look in the mirror 'cuz that's where the problem is.

 

[wayneboard1]

you mean an answer like this one....

I'm embaressed for you.

 

[bluehen]

But frank zane is doable. .

 

[wayneboard1]

LOL...crap, I can't talk my way out of that one can I?

 

[Indy]

Ah blue you beat me to it Boops and Wayne need to take a deep breath, cause they are both good bro's and I like them both, and I dont want to have to start cracking asses here, and not in a way


Daddy Indy-

 

[bluehen]

LOL...crap, I can't talk my way out of that one can I?

Since the quote is not doctored you can't . On the topic one thing I did not see anyone talk about is bone structure. That can make a big difference in how your muscle you built looks on you.

 

[wayneboard1]

Ah blue you beat me to it Boops and Wayne need to take a deep breath, cause they are both good bro's and I like them both, and I dont want to have to start cracking asses here, and not in a way


Daddy Indy-

No boops and I are talking about my prepubesent calves via PM right now as a matter of fact, there are no hard feelings.

You said crack.

 

[boops]

hey bros
yeah cooler heads will prevail no need for ass kickings ....things from time to time get "testy" in this place (go figure lol) wyane does know his stuff, i have no doubt to that but one thing i wish out of all this is just for people to be as open minded as possible when taking into account what is said here....obviously we have a wealth of knowledge with all of the "personalities" we have here and we all play a role on the board....i apologize for my part in things and admit it wasted space on the board, ill go back to helping people out......

peace
josh

 

[monopoly19]

Is Bivk going to reply back on this? I really would like to see what diet/training/cycles look like. I'm not saying that what I do/have done will work, but I'll surely tell ya what I think........

Can't we all just get along??

Monopoly

 

[phatstud]

IMO, genetics play an important part like said. i'm naturally lean and have always had a damn hard time gaining weight/mass. i can train hard for 6wks and get a killer, ripped body. but as far as weight goes, it's hard.

my diet has always been pretty good and since being on gear, i have gained about 15lbs. i'm right at around 5'11" btw...but only weight in at about 156lbs at the moment. and it's not that i'm not training hard either. i work hard at whatever i do, work 30-40hrs a wk, go to school and work out/lift 1.5 to 2hrs a day, 6days a wk.

i work out with a couple of buddies that are just the opposite, different genes and they are able to gain mass like it's nothing.