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Warik
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Give it your best shot, RyanH.
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Give it your best shot, RyanH.
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TxCollegeguy
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Damn Sons of Bitchs....Something has to be done in in this country. This shit is out of control. I hope his parents sue the fuck out of that school and Cause as much media attention as they can.
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plifter
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Dang ol free country my ass, wouldn't pictures of guns be protected under the 1st Amendment. How dare any one bring aspirin to school. Isn't there anyone left with any common sense?
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Warik
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plifter said:
Yes. They're called "evil capitalists."
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TxCollegeguy
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woodin thats pretty funny though it's a real concern that needs to be addressed
I mean if this kid was drawing his teachers and class mates being shot and stuff why couldnt' they just call his parents and have a conference with the school dr. to talk about it.
I mean if this kid was drawing his teachers and class mates being shot and stuff why couldnt' they just call his parents and have a conference with the school dr. to talk about it.
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TxCollegeguy said:
He wasn't.
He drew a gun - maybe two.
No stick figures were harmed in the production of that sketch.
It was a drawing of a gun. Good thing he didn't bring one of those plastic soldiers - those guns are real.
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TxCollegeguy
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I still don't think he should have been cuffed and def not kicked out of school...hell we drew our army shit all the time in elem. guns, bombs, warheads, battlefields...I'm sure now days they would have said we were crazy threats to society.
I wonder if this child has a history of violent behavior or if he made open threats about the drawings or just did anything to make them think he was going to go postal on them.
I wonder if this child has a history of violent behavior or if he made open threats about the drawings or just did anything to make them think he was going to go postal on them.
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Latimer
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That article is disturbing. If I was that kid, I'd be looking for some payback.
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RyanH
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The School has every right to protect its other students from even the slightest material disruption---the Supreme Court itself has ruled this.
This was very smart for the schools to do.....kids should not be drawing guns when there is nothing but harm that can possibly come from them.
I hope other schools follow this wise decision.....They certaintly can, since it is within their authority to do so......see Supreme Court case called "Tinker"
This was very smart for the schools to do.....kids should not be drawing guns when there is nothing but harm that can possibly come from them.
I hope other schools follow this wise decision.....They certaintly can, since it is within their authority to do so......see Supreme Court case called "Tinker"
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RyanH
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plifter said:
Nope Kids do not enjoy full privileges of the First Amendment while in school.....they are limited if the school feels the students actions could cause a "material disruption." A wise decision from the Supreme Court.......
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Warik
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RyanH said:
Like what? Papercuts? LOL
Don't worry. I don't plan to debate this issue with you. I just wanted to see what strange concoction of animal feces you would present as an argument in favor of the school.
Again, I'm impressed.
-Warik
TxCollegeguy
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ryan that is crazy. it's a DRAWING!!How can that be a threat???it's paper and pencil. If that was my kid I'd have everyone involved in that decession their ass on a silver platter.
If the kid is not causing a Physical disruption by dressing, or acting in a manner to take away from the classroom then the supreme court has said they can't infringe upon the individuality of that student.
how can a drawing be considered a physical or acting disruption? The only way I see it, unless the kids around him were being nosy and looking at his drawings and not working on their own it's their fault for disturbing the class not his. It doesn't seem that he was trying to show off the drawing but rather the teacher did.
Why not kick the teacher out for the disruption...Cause it's all BULLSHIT
If the kid is not causing a Physical disruption by dressing, or acting in a manner to take away from the classroom then the supreme court has said they can't infringe upon the individuality of that student.
how can a drawing be considered a physical or acting disruption? The only way I see it, unless the kids around him were being nosy and looking at his drawings and not working on their own it's their fault for disturbing the class not his. It doesn't seem that he was trying to show off the drawing but rather the teacher did.
Why not kick the teacher out for the disruption...Cause it's all BULLSHIT
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RyanH
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Why should a kid be allowed to draw a pic of a gun when there are so many other things he could draw. Many parents teach their kids the wrong priorities and sometimes its up to the schools to correct mistakes of parents.....
The Supreme Courts "material disruption" standard can be any sort of disruption. There have been cases where a student's profane speech has been deemed a "material disruption." It is certainly probable that a child's drawings of guns is within the school's fear of a "material disruption," to make the drawing prohibitive.
The Supreme Courts "material disruption" standard can be any sort of disruption. There have been cases where a student's profane speech has been deemed a "material disruption." It is certainly probable that a child's drawings of guns is within the school's fear of a "material disruption," to make the drawing prohibitive.
TxCollegeguy
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It's every parents God given right to teach their kids what priorites are right and wrong. It's not the Governments place to teach them right and wrong, it's not the schools place to teach them right and wrong, it's the parents
If a parent teaches his kids guns are right, then who are you and I to say they wrong. Thats not our place and it's wrong for anyone to say it is.
As a society we can pretty much agree that it would be wrong for a parent to teach their children how to physically harm someone, and we agree that it's wrong to teach them hatred. But they have that right to do so. Unless the kid causes a physical harm to someone or someones property that parents rights to teach that child are going to be protected no matter how much we might dissagree
If a parent teaches his kids guns are right, then who are you and I to say they wrong. Thats not our place and it's wrong for anyone to say it is.
As a society we can pretty much agree that it would be wrong for a parent to teach their children how to physically harm someone, and we agree that it's wrong to teach them hatred. But they have that right to do so. Unless the kid causes a physical harm to someone or someones property that parents rights to teach that child are going to be protected no matter how much we might dissagree
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RyanH
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TXCollegeGuy----do you really believe a parent should have unfettered discretion to teach their kids anything he or she believes? Is it right for a Jehovah's Witness parent to mandate that their sick child not receive a blood transfusion b/c of that parent's religious opposition to it? Is it right for a Christian scientist to require their child receive spirtual healing from the church as opposed to routine medical care?
The Courts have consistently overruled parental decisions when those decisions can cause detriment to the child. Here, their is a great possibility that a child this young who is drawing pics of gun, might, in fact, turn those drawings into something more.
Schools have the right, especially considering the recent school shootings, to deter even the sight of guns.
The Courts have consistently overruled parental decisions when those decisions can cause detriment to the child. Here, their is a great possibility that a child this young who is drawing pics of gun, might, in fact, turn those drawings into something more.
Schools have the right, especially considering the recent school shootings, to deter even the sight of guns.
LMAO - I guess they would send him to "the hospital" never let him back in a school ever again if he was drawing a AH 1 Cobra!
While I do agree that we, as adults need to put a serious curb on little punks and their weapons, this incident is way out of hand. Drawing guns? Sheesh! As a parent, I would become that school districts worst nightmare.
While I do agree that we, as adults need to put a serious curb on little punks and their weapons, this incident is way out of hand. Drawing guns? Sheesh! As a parent, I would become that school districts worst nightmare.
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RyanH
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Kids draw guns. Kids break stuff. Kids kill. Kids massacre their parent. kids massacre teachers. Kids massacre other students. The "kids will be kids" argument no longer works....slickdadd said:
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Warik
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RyanH said:
Because they want to?
Why should people be allowed to be homosexual when they could be straight instead?
Why should people be allowed to receive welfare when they could go to work instead?
Why should people be allowed to invest their money when they could donate it to charity instead?
Why should pregnant women be allowed to kill their children when they could assume responsibility for their actions instead?
I forget, what do you liberals support? Don't you claim to be in favor of personal freedoms and all that stuff?
RyanH, I'm going to go to my computer programming class now. I'll be sure to draw a kickass gun using Adobe Photoshop on my laptop.
-Warik
TxCollegeguy
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yes ryan those parents should have that right to teach as they please
Handcuffing a kid that old and then saying it was for "his
safety" is just another way of saying "We wanted to humilate him for what he did."
I would sue the school district, the Board of Education, the teacher and lastly the principal.
I am sure they can be sued for their "safety" but we all know it is about money and punishment, which they certainly should be punished, the money side of this is they can't afford to do this to someone's kid again.
When I was in High School, we had a rifle range in the basement under the stage of the auditorium. We shot .22 cal bolt action rifles. We did not think about anyone bringing a gun in to school, except to site it in on the range. Different times and boy they certainly have changed to the worst. Now our 2nd amendment is up for grabs because of fucking kids going off like a bomb. Shit this kid did not do anything except express himself by a drawing. Maybe art should be banned while were at it.
Guns don't kill, people kill people. Don't try to say this was right, it traumatized the kid and I am sure his parents will sue.
safety" is just another way of saying "We wanted to humilate him for what he did."
I would sue the school district, the Board of Education, the teacher and lastly the principal.
I am sure they can be sued for their "safety" but we all know it is about money and punishment, which they certainly should be punished, the money side of this is they can't afford to do this to someone's kid again.
When I was in High School, we had a rifle range in the basement under the stage of the auditorium. We shot .22 cal bolt action rifles. We did not think about anyone bringing a gun in to school, except to site it in on the range. Different times and boy they certainly have changed to the worst. Now our 2nd amendment is up for grabs because of fucking kids going off like a bomb. Shit this kid did not do anything except express himself by a drawing. Maybe art should be banned while were at it.
Guns don't kill, people kill people. Don't try to say this was right, it traumatized the kid and I am sure his parents will sue.
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RyanH,
Do you plan to neuter your children too? Maybe you could remove the issue from consideration by not reproducing at all.
Any chance at calling it "artistic expression"? Or is art only art when sissies like it?
Come on bro. This is silly. You are actually arguing that a kid should be led away in handcuffs for something they DREW.
I would love for you to explain the harm caused by a child drawing pictures of guns. Guns are real. They exist. Telling children that something is bad only makes them more interested. The right way to teach children about guns is to introduce them at a very young age, and teach respect for what they do and how to use them properly.
It scares me to think that there are people stupid enough to one day pay legal fees for your efforts. May you never run low on ambulances to chase.
Give me an explanation of teh harm this causes, not some ambiguous "kids draw guns, kids shoot each other" line with no logical connection.
Do you plan to neuter your children too? Maybe you could remove the issue from consideration by not reproducing at all.
Any chance at calling it "artistic expression"? Or is art only art when sissies like it?
Come on bro. This is silly. You are actually arguing that a kid should be led away in handcuffs for something they DREW.
I would love for you to explain the harm caused by a child drawing pictures of guns. Guns are real. They exist. Telling children that something is bad only makes them more interested. The right way to teach children about guns is to introduce them at a very young age, and teach respect for what they do and how to use them properly.
It scares me to think that there are people stupid enough to one day pay legal fees for your efforts. May you never run low on ambulances to chase.
Give me an explanation of teh harm this causes, not some ambiguous "kids draw guns, kids shoot each other" line with no logical connection.
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MattTheSkywalker said:
I don't believe the child should have been led away in handcuffs...that act is a bit extreme. Although, I do believe that school's have the right to take a strong stance on ANY act that can be interpreted as having the potential for violence. And that includes long-term suspensions. How often do you see a fifth grader drawing pics of guns? Maybe a younger child might, but a 5th grader who draws guns actually has what it takes to fire one, if he can obtain it. I would be troubled as a parent or a teacher if my kid was busy drawing weapons of DEATH, at such a young age. I'd rather he be consumed with activities you know will take him some where----i.e. reading a classic, playing soccer, painting a landscape.....
You can't wait until harm is caused to prevent it...PREVENTION... If you do wait, then you might have another Columbine.
Schools should do whatever it takes to deter any sight or mention of guns when kids are involved. If the kids were older, in college, then it would be a different situation. By that age, one has the intellectual maturity to realize the consequences of firing a gun. But, what is a teacher supposed to do when she sees a pic of a gun has been draw---say, "Oh lovely, I love that pic of the gun you drew?" A school can't condone, endorse, or take any chances when it comes to guns. If so, then it could be your child or someone else's that loses his or her life way too soon.....
I'm an avid supporter of the 1st Amendment, but only when your exercise of it doesn't interfere or have the strong potential to interfere with another person's safety.
TxCollegeguy
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Ryan I was drawing blue prints for guns, bombs, bunkers, planes. for many years past 5th grade. I never once took a gun to school, and I never threatned with my drawings anyone.
I also used to draw Martians and other space scenes.
METHYL MIKE
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That just goes to show how far the government has lost it-The ONLY reason something like this happened is because they are intentionaly drawing major media attention to every school shooting to bring credibility to their anti-gun campaign. This is basically just a fluke because of it. Maybe now some people will get their heads out of their asses and realizew the government is trying to brainwash us and we'll do something about it....
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ANY act? So what's next? No football at recess? No sports at all? Suspending him long term is an overreaction of the highest order and most foolish.
There is a logical incongruity here. In one sentence, you say that a "younger child might" draw guns. Then you say that
"I would be troubled as a parent or a teacher if my kid was busy drawing weapons of DEATH, at such a young age". So is it a younger kid that could be drawing them at teh appropriate age, or an older one? You are saying both. What is so abnormal about a 10 year old boy drawing a picture of a gun, that he needs to be separated from his peers?
Also, the phrase "weapon of DEATH" is emotionalism not logic. Guns can kill or be used for recreation and sporting purposes. Ted Bundy killed 3 girls at Florida State University with a piece of a log. Should trees be deemed "weapons of DEATH?" Trees therefore can kill, or break down CO2 into oxygen. A gun is no more likely than a flower to kill someone OF ITS OWN ACCORD. Should playground baseball be banned because a bat could crush a skull? All of these are foolish.
It is the emotional characterization of guns that drives sad decisions like this.
There is absolutely no connection between those activities and success in life. Likewise there is no connection between drawing pictures of guns and failure or criminal lifestyle. This is. logically speaking, gibberish.
I agree that well-thought out prevention is necessary, but certainly not knee-jerk reactionary attempts at thought. Columbine is forever etched into our memory, but it is largely because it was an upperclass community where "it couldn't happen here". School shootings have been common in inner-city schools long before Columbine. Columbine was a true tragedy.
However - Once again: guns exist. They are real. Maybe we would have better prevention if we educated our children in self-contained caves from which children never emerged until they were 30. There would be no school shootings then. In the same logical vein, we could have a 15MPH strictly enforced speed limit, to prevent car fatalities. These two solutions would engender near-100% prevention in their realms. Are they good ideas? Of course not.
You keep using the phrase "firing a gun" as if a real gun were brought to school or fired on school grounds. This wasn't even a photo of a gun, which might indicate the child knows the whereabouts of a gun. This is a drawing, a sketch....probably something the kid did while bored in art class.
Strong potential to interfere? You're really reaching...this is an example of school officials being stupid, and now they will likely be too small to admit their mistake.
RyanH said:
ANY act? So what's next? No football at recess? No sports at all? Suspending him long term is an overreaction of the highest order and most foolish.
There is a logical incongruity here. In one sentence, you say that a "younger child might" draw guns. Then you say that
"I would be troubled as a parent or a teacher if my kid was busy drawing weapons of DEATH, at such a young age". So is it a younger kid that could be drawing them at teh appropriate age, or an older one? You are saying both. What is so abnormal about a 10 year old boy drawing a picture of a gun, that he needs to be separated from his peers?
Also, the phrase "weapon of DEATH" is emotionalism not logic. Guns can kill or be used for recreation and sporting purposes. Ted Bundy killed 3 girls at Florida State University with a piece of a log. Should trees be deemed "weapons of DEATH?" Trees therefore can kill, or break down CO2 into oxygen. A gun is no more likely than a flower to kill someone OF ITS OWN ACCORD. Should playground baseball be banned because a bat could crush a skull? All of these are foolish.
It is the emotional characterization of guns that drives sad decisions like this.
There is absolutely no connection between those activities and success in life. Likewise there is no connection between drawing pictures of guns and failure or criminal lifestyle. This is. logically speaking, gibberish.
I agree that well-thought out prevention is necessary, but certainly not knee-jerk reactionary attempts at thought. Columbine is forever etched into our memory, but it is largely because it was an upperclass community where "it couldn't happen here". School shootings have been common in inner-city schools long before Columbine. Columbine was a true tragedy.
However - Once again: guns exist. They are real. Maybe we would have better prevention if we educated our children in self-contained caves from which children never emerged until they were 30. There would be no school shootings then. In the same logical vein, we could have a 15MPH strictly enforced speed limit, to prevent car fatalities. These two solutions would engender near-100% prevention in their realms. Are they good ideas? Of course not.
You keep using the phrase "firing a gun" as if a real gun were brought to school or fired on school grounds. This wasn't even a photo of a gun, which might indicate the child knows the whereabouts of a gun. This is a drawing, a sketch....probably something the kid did while bored in art class.
Strong potential to interfere? You're really reaching...this is an example of school officials being stupid, and now they will likely be too small to admit their mistake.
TxCollegeguy
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good point Dave, or lets arrest all the little peanbrains that laugh and disturb class with their rude jokes maybe the Head Mistress can handcuff them
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RyanH
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Again and again, several of you fail to see the larger problem in all of this------society's fascination with guns.
Guns have taken this country no where, except to local morgues throughout this country.
Schools must with the support of their Congressman begin to dismantle America's stupid fascination with weapons of death. Instead, schools should endorse what schools in England and France endorse---the arts, sciences, and the humanities.
There is a reason we are the most violent country in the world. Contact your local NRA for more information----if truthful Mr. Heston and his good ol' boys will tell you that its because of them---the NRA KILLING MACHINE.
Guns have taken this country no where, except to local morgues throughout this country.
Schools must with the support of their Congressman begin to dismantle America's stupid fascination with weapons of death. Instead, schools should endorse what schools in England and France endorse---the arts, sciences, and the humanities.
There is a reason we are the most violent country in the world. Contact your local NRA for more information----if truthful Mr. Heston and his good ol' boys will tell you that its because of them---the NRA KILLING MACHINE.
TxCollegeguy
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Ryan I hope if they ever try to take our guns one of your chronies will have the balls to come kick in my door and see whats waiting for them.
Lets take guns away from cops as well, since we don't want them to abuse them on the citizens since we won't be able to defend ourselves. hell lets take them away for the military and send the right message to the rest of the world that guns are just plain unfair. I bet they would listen what do you think??
Please get real. Maturity is what is needed for those who own guns and more so for those who don't know shit about them and want to bitch about those who do have them. Safety needs to be taught, and Death Penalities enforced much quicker for violent criminal offenders.
None of this waiting for 10 years to get it done. Your ideals for guns are not realistic, and I would guarantee a civil war much more violent if they ever made a serious threat at taking them away
Lets take guns away from cops as well, since we don't want them to abuse them on the citizens since we won't be able to defend ourselves. hell lets take them away for the military and send the right message to the rest of the world that guns are just plain unfair. I bet they would listen what do you think??
Please get real. Maturity is what is needed for those who own guns and more so for those who don't know shit about them and want to bitch about those who do have them. Safety needs to be taught, and Death Penalities enforced much quicker for violent criminal offenders.
None of this waiting for 10 years to get it done. Your ideals for guns are not realistic, and I would guarantee a civil war much more violent if they ever made a serious threat at taking them away
RyanH----
Say what you want but its because of guns that you have the ability to be able to have these ideas of yours.
The is a right that was provide for you by people who were willing to use guns to obtain it.
I think nudity is good.
I think every kid should go hunting by the time they are 12 and actually see what it means to be a part of nature.
I think we should teach more compassion.
I how ever do not believe a gun ever killed anyone and that kids will draw and play war and it not a big deal.
paranoid!!!!!
Say what you want but its because of guns that you have the ability to be able to have these ideas of yours.
The is a right that was provide for you by people who were willing to use guns to obtain it.
I think nudity is good.
I think every kid should go hunting by the time they are 12 and actually see what it means to be a part of nature.
I think we should teach more compassion.
I how ever do not believe a gun ever killed anyone and that kids will draw and play war and it not a big deal.
paranoid!!!!!
Once again, RyanH misses the point. We are not the most violent country on the planet. That honor goes to Australia, England and some other European countries of which I posted a study earlier this year.
RyanH, how many kids have you raised? None, so SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH YOU PRICK FUCK! Yes, I insulted you and meant to do it. I can tolerate just about anyone for any length of time, but you have gone way too far. You want to meet? I'll beat your fucking white ass down with my bare hands. Since you are so horrified by the prospect of violence I will just draw you a picture instead and post it you malformed freak.
No, I am not trying to debate you at all, yes I am using inflamatory comments towards you, you cocksucking butt pirate.
PS. I hope those parents sue the school for infringing on the first amendment rights of their child, for violating his civil rights, for kidnapping (they intentionally deprived him of his freedom without articulatable reasons. Don't argue the validity of the deprivation of his freedom for "his" safety. That is total bullshit, I patrolled the streets for 4 years as a Deputy and I know what can and can't be done. And what they did was no different than if I had arrested a black guy for his safety because he drew a picture of a gun.
How far would this have gun if it was a black kid? an indian kid? a puertorican kid? a girl?
I hope that school district goes broke, and I hope that the principal and all involved get charged with the various crimes listed above.
Those schools are doing nothing more than brainwashing our kids at a young age in order to achieve their goal of total domination in the future. By the time they are adults they will not know the differnce just as you don't.
RyanH, how many kids have you raised? None, so SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH YOU PRICK FUCK! Yes, I insulted you and meant to do it. I can tolerate just about anyone for any length of time, but you have gone way too far. You want to meet? I'll beat your fucking white ass down with my bare hands. Since you are so horrified by the prospect of violence I will just draw you a picture instead and post it you malformed freak.
No, I am not trying to debate you at all, yes I am using inflamatory comments towards you, you cocksucking butt pirate.
PS. I hope those parents sue the school for infringing on the first amendment rights of their child, for violating his civil rights, for kidnapping (they intentionally deprived him of his freedom without articulatable reasons. Don't argue the validity of the deprivation of his freedom for "his" safety. That is total bullshit, I patrolled the streets for 4 years as a Deputy and I know what can and can't be done. And what they did was no different than if I had arrested a black guy for his safety because he drew a picture of a gun.
How far would this have gun if it was a black kid? an indian kid? a puertorican kid? a girl?
I hope that school district goes broke, and I hope that the principal and all involved get charged with the various crimes listed above.
Those schools are doing nothing more than brainwashing our kids at a young age in order to achieve their goal of total domination in the future. By the time they are adults they will not know the differnce just as you don't.
Your_Moms_Kneepads
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Ryan you are a LEFT WING COMMIE CUNT....RyanH said:
Yes I said - C U N T.....
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