Females & Casein Protein

[necia]

Being doing some reading on the pros of consuming Casein Protein as a before bed time shake. Question, how many females take this? I wasn't able to find much information on whether it can be used for those that are cutting. Any thoughts, ideas or suggestions?

Necia

 

[Miss24k]

I have a casein protein shake and 2 tbsp of peanut butter as my last meal of the day.

 

[Miss24k]

And yes it can be used for cutting all it is, is a slow disgesting protein.

 

[nycgirl]

What is it? And how is it different from Whey?

 

[Miss24k]

What is it? And how is it different from Whey?

Read this:

Micellar Casein Info And Products
Slow Digesting Protein

Micellar casein, an extremely slow digesting and rich protein source that continues to feed your muscles long after whey proteins have dropped off. In fact, studies with this undenatured form of isolated casein protein (Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A 1997 Dec 23;94(26):14930-5) have demonstrated it to sustain steady amino acid elevations for an incredible 7 hours. It was shown to offer a strong anti-catabolic effect not noticed with fast digesting whey protein, and actually fostered a much more positive overall net protein balance in comparison.

While whey protein may increase protein synthesis to a very high degree, higher than casein, scientists are now recognizing that micellar casein is much more important in preventing muscle breakdown. In fact, additional research is demonstrating that the slow and sustained release of amino acids from micellar casein can cause a “timed release” trickle of amino acids into the bloodstream which can last for as many as 7 full hours after ingestion.

Micellar casein is the natural, undenatured form of casein found in milk. It is separated from milk by means of ultrafiltration, without the use of chemicals, which increases the amount of bioactive milk peptides that support immune function as well as enhance muscle growth. A property of micellar casein is that it may have the ability to form a "gel" in the gut. This provides a steady release of amino acids into the blood stream, which makes it an excellent choice for a long lasting anti-catabolic protein.


http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/mic.html

 

[necia]

Thanks for the info Ms. 24K. Ya know my next question is, which one have you tried that's decent. I'm doing a toss-up between ON, and Iss Research.

Necia

Editing because I wanted to give you some K, and yet again I have to spread some around. Does anyone care to enlighten me about the spreading around of K? I truly don't get it.

 

[jenscats5]

Thanks for the info Ms. 24K. Ya know my next question is, which one have you tried that's decent. I'm doing a toss-up between ON, and Iss Research.

Necia

Editing because I wanted to give you some K, and yet again I have to spread some around. Does anyone care to enlighten me about the spreading around of K? I truly don't get it.

You can't give K to the same person right away, you have to spread it around to a number of people before giving it to the same person again....I think it's 41 others....

As for the casein....I guess I need to switch from Whey to Casein??

 

[necia]

Jens,

Thanks for the explanation. From what I've read, you wouldn't switch from whey to casein, you would use both.
The whey upon waking, during the day, after working out, etc, but you would use the casein before bed. It's slower absorbing, or was that releasing, but anyway, it's spose to keep you fuller during the night, so that you won't wake up hungry in the middle of the night. You can also accomplish this by eating a shit load of cottage cheese before retiring for the night. From, what I've read it's also spose to be great for muscular gains, whatever that may or may not mean.

HTH
Necia

 

[jenscats5]

Jens,

Thanks for the explanation. From what I've read, you wouldn't switch from whey to casein, you would use both.
The whey upon waking, during the day, after working out, etc, but you would use the casein before bed. It's slower absorbing, or was that releasing, but anyway, it's spose to keep you fuller during the night, so that you won't wake up hungry in the middle of the night. You can also accomplish this by eating a shit load of cottage cheese before retiring for the night. From, what I've read it's also spose to be great for muscular gains, whatever that may or may not mean.

HTH
Necia

Ahhhhhhhhh, I see.....Thanks!!

 

[Miss24k]

Exactly Necia, you catch on quickly girlie haha


Jens you wouldn't switch you could use bother. Casein is better before bed, because it stays in your system for a long period of time (while you are sleeping)

Keep your Whey, they both have their place in a diet.

 

[Ulter]

Read this:

Micellar Casein Info And Products
Slow Digesting Protein

Micellar casein, an extremely slow digesting and rich protein source that continues to feed your muscles long after whey proteins have dropped off. In fact, studies with this undenatured form of isolated casein protein (Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A 1997 Dec 23;94(26):14930-5) have demonstrated it to sustain steady amino acid elevations for an incredible 7 hours. It was shown to offer a strong anti-catabolic effect not noticed with fast digesting whey protein, and actually fostered a much more positive overall net protein balance in comparison.

While whey protein may increase protein synthesis to a very high degree, higher than casein, scientists are now recognizing that micellar casein is much more important in preventing muscle breakdown. In fact, additional research is demonstrating that the slow and sustained release of amino acids from micellar casein can cause a “timed release” trickle of amino acids into the bloodstream which can last for as many as 7 full hours after ingestion.

Micellar casein is the natural, undenatured form of casein found in milk. It is separated from milk by means of ultrafiltration, without the use of chemicals, which increases the amount of bioactive milk peptides that support immune function as well as enhance muscle growth. A property of micellar casein is that it may have the ability to form a "gel" in the gut. This provides a steady release of amino acids into the blood stream, which makes it an excellent choice for a long lasting anti-catabolic protein.


http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/mic.html

Yes and no. Casein is slower acting, by a couple hours. However post workout your muscles don't need slow acting, they need the protein NOW and whey outperforms casein in getting more protein to the muscles quickly to slow the oxidation process from causing further muscle deterioration. There is something to be said for a more "time released" protein however and since no one has ever compared the two head to head in athletes it's probably safe to use BOTH, just in case. But if I had to use one or the other I would certainly use whey because I don't go 5 hours without protein so as to need a 7 hour protein. And since you want the most easily digestable whey with the highest protein content I suggest the one that has the FDA's highest digestability rating (the same as baby food) and that's ISO AGB.

 

[*Bunny*]

Yes and no. Casein is slower acting, by a couple hours. However post workout your muscles don't need slow acting, they need the protein NOW and whey outperforms casein in getting more protein to the muscles quickly to slow the oxidation process from causing further muscle deterioration. There is something to be said for a more "time released" protein however and since no one has ever compared the two head to head in athletes it's probably safe to use BOTH, just in case. But if I had to use one or the other I would certainly use whey because I don't go 5 hours without protein so as to need a 7 hour protein. And since you want the most easily digestable whey with the highest protein content I suggest the one that has the FDA's highest digestability rating (the same as baby food) and that's ISO AGB.

I was waiting for that... Great info Ulter..as always

 

[Miss24k]

Yes and no. Casein is slower acting, by a couple hours. However post workout your muscles don't need slow acting, they need the protein NOW and whey outperforms casein in getting more protein to the muscles quickly to slow the oxidation process from causing further muscle deterioration. There is something to be said for a more "time released" protein however and since no one has ever compared the two head to head in athletes it's probably safe to use BOTH, just in case. But if I had to use one or the other I would certainly use whey because I don't go 5 hours without protein so as to need a 7 hour protein. And since you want the most easily digestable whey with the highest protein content I suggest the one that has the FDA's highest digestability rating (the same as baby food) and that's ISO AGB.

Hmmm I do believe I said she should use both and casein should be used before bed.

Using a casein protein after a workout would just be well retarded.

 

[Ulter]

My answer wasn't directed toward what you posted. It was directed toward the article, which is why I only quoted that in my post. But our opinions are the same.

 

[necia]

While we on the subject of slower absorbing protein, I've also read that a good source would be milk isolate. It's cheaper than the casein, but on the flip side it's spose to be much more difficult to mix, and usually a blender is required. I also read that it taste's horrible and that the casein is friendlier on the taste buds.

Necia

 

[treilin]

I thought casein was one of the proteins found in milk. Hence why you would mix your whey protein in milk. The casein in milk protein would slow down the digestion rate of the whey protein. If you want your protein to digest faster use just whey protein. Am I right or am I wrong? That's what I got from the reading I have done in teh past.

 

[necia]

Casein is one of the proteins found in milk. Hmnnnnnnnn, I never noticed if I felt fuller mixing my whey with milk. I tell ya what, it's about bed time for me, I'm starving although I ate my last meal of the day, I'm gonna go give your theory a test, and see where it gets me during the night. For extra measure, I'm going to add a T of ANPB.

Necia

 

[jaded]

And since you want the most easily digestable whey with the highest protein content I suggest the one that has the FDA's highest digestability rating (the same as baby food) and that's ISO AGB.

This may be a stupid question, but what does the ISO AGB taste like? lol.

 

[Ulter]

It's tasteless so you can flavor it with whatever suits you that day.