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the nature boy
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HappyScrappy said:
yup, I'm and DC and I know this.... man. But it's good that Bigdawg1468 has unix, microsoft and cisco experience. Specialization is dead, unless you're a contractor. As for novel......
Fellow I.T. people, what can you tell me
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yup, I'm and DC and I know this.... man. But it's good that Bigdawg1468 has unix, microsoft and cisco experience. Specialization is dead, unless you're a contractor. As for novel......
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The market is deflated.
No one is looking for someone with one or two skill sets, we want someone who has project management experience and great documentation ability, and then the skill sets.
But selling yourself as a unix/network admin won't get you a job. You need to realize that the market today wants people who not only write ROI proposals, present the proposal, implement the proposed project, document the project process AND maintain the project from demo to pilot to production.
Niche players are out, no more tape apes, no more db admins and no more mail server admins or even vanilla network admins....it's all about value.
No one is looking for someone with one or two skill sets, we want someone who has project management experience and great documentation ability, and then the skill sets.
But selling yourself as a unix/network admin won't get you a job. You need to realize that the market today wants people who not only write ROI proposals, present the proposal, implement the proposed project, document the project process AND maintain the project from demo to pilot to production.
Niche players are out, no more tape apes, no more db admins and no more mail server admins or even vanilla network admins....it's all about value.
WombRaider
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Not good right now:
** IT Jobless Rate Hits 5.5%
IT joblessness remains at historic highs as many technology
jobs that had once seemed secure fall victim to the recession
and the aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks. In November, the IT
unemployment rate jumped one-half percentage point from record-
high levels posted earlier this fall, rising to 5.5% from 5.0%
in September and October, according to an analysis of figures
released this week by the Labor Department's Bureau of Labor
Statistics. A year earlier, IT unemployment stood at 2.0%.
Overall unemployment last month reached 5.7%, a six-year high.
The 5.5% IT unemployment rate is the highest in memory. Between
1963 and 2000, the annualized IT unemployment rate peaked at 3%
in 1991 and 1992, the years of the last recession, and bottomed
out at 1.3% in 1997, the start of the dot-com boom. Expect
another historic high next month, Meta Group analyst Maria
Schafer says. "I wouldn't be surprised to see it go to 6.3% or
6.4% in the coming months."
But companies laying off IT workers may face a challenge when
the economy does recover--namely, finding the right IT talent
to help execute a stockpile of projects. "In many cases,
companies are in survival mode and can't afford to move
forward," Schafer says. "But when they do, they will be
churning up things quickly. There's a substantial amount of
demand for people and projects that's been put on hold."
Some companies are hedging their bets by not firing employees
but furloughing them, with the intent of calling them back if
conditions turn around. Many employers bent over backward to
hire the right IT people a couple of years ago and were
reluctant to let them go after spending so much money to
recruit them, says Scott Brown, chief economist at Raymond
James & Associates. By furloughing employees, companies can
avoid hefty recruiting costs. Says Brown, "It would be
tougher to hire those IT workers if the economy were to turn on
a dime." - Eric Chabrow and Sandra Swanson
For full story, go to:
http://update.informationweek.com/cgi-bin4/flo?y=eFMc0BlhHd0V20BDxJ0Al
For more on IT labor market, see:
IT Jobless Rates Hit Historic Highs
http://update.informationweek.com/cgi-bin4/flo?y=eFMc0BlhHd0V20Zmz0Ae
Where Are the Jobs?: An In-Depth Look at the IT Job Market
http://update.informationweek.com/cgi-bin4/flo?y=eFMc0BlhHd0V20Zub0AO
** IT Jobless Rate Hits 5.5%
IT joblessness remains at historic highs as many technology
jobs that had once seemed secure fall victim to the recession
and the aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks. In November, the IT
unemployment rate jumped one-half percentage point from record-
high levels posted earlier this fall, rising to 5.5% from 5.0%
in September and October, according to an analysis of figures
released this week by the Labor Department's Bureau of Labor
Statistics. A year earlier, IT unemployment stood at 2.0%.
Overall unemployment last month reached 5.7%, a six-year high.
The 5.5% IT unemployment rate is the highest in memory. Between
1963 and 2000, the annualized IT unemployment rate peaked at 3%
in 1991 and 1992, the years of the last recession, and bottomed
out at 1.3% in 1997, the start of the dot-com boom. Expect
another historic high next month, Meta Group analyst Maria
Schafer says. "I wouldn't be surprised to see it go to 6.3% or
6.4% in the coming months."
But companies laying off IT workers may face a challenge when
the economy does recover--namely, finding the right IT talent
to help execute a stockpile of projects. "In many cases,
companies are in survival mode and can't afford to move
forward," Schafer says. "But when they do, they will be
churning up things quickly. There's a substantial amount of
demand for people and projects that's been put on hold."
Some companies are hedging their bets by not firing employees
but furloughing them, with the intent of calling them back if
conditions turn around. Many employers bent over backward to
hire the right IT people a couple of years ago and were
reluctant to let them go after spending so much money to
recruit them, says Scott Brown, chief economist at Raymond
James & Associates. By furloughing employees, companies can
avoid hefty recruiting costs. Says Brown, "It would be
tougher to hire those IT workers if the economy were to turn on
a dime." - Eric Chabrow and Sandra Swanson
For full story, go to:
http://update.informationweek.com/cgi-bin4/flo?y=eFMc0BlhHd0V20BDxJ0Al
For more on IT labor market, see:
IT Jobless Rates Hit Historic Highs
http://update.informationweek.com/cgi-bin4/flo?y=eFMc0BlhHd0V20Zmz0Ae
Where Are the Jobs?: An In-Depth Look at the IT Job Market
http://update.informationweek.com/cgi-bin4/flo?y=eFMc0BlhHd0V20Zub0AO
supersizeme
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i don't know what job market Code works in, but i'm an HP/Solaris admin down in Texas and i'm still consistently getting calls from recruiters about spots that need to be filled. you are safe with UNIX, we bitches are always in need cuz we can do shit without having to right-click and double-click on everything. command line skills and scripting will take you far.
WombRaider
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'Yeah but it tops out quick. Not like it was 2 yrs ago.
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I live in the Bay Area.
I personally have openings for unix admins, but the list of other qualifications if quite lengthy.
If you're constantly getting calls, good for you man. But I can tell you one thing for sure, the market is DRY across the country.
Facts is facts, IT jobs are at an all-time low. IT is an OVERHEAD position, so they're usually one of the first to go (after they've disabled everyone else's accounts).
I personally have openings for unix admins, but the list of other qualifications if quite lengthy.
If you're constantly getting calls, good for you man. But I can tell you one thing for sure, the market is DRY across the country.
Facts is facts, IT jobs are at an all-time low. IT is an OVERHEAD position, so they're usually one of the first to go (after they've disabled everyone else's accounts).
Code said:
That is why I am waiting until the project I am on is finished. We are implementing a ERP wtih JD Edwards(Wish they would have chosen SAP). The project experience I will gain staying from design to completion will be invaluable when paired with my skillset.
Thanks for all the input guys, I was real curious.
For those that asked we are a total HP Shop. Someone has pictures of someone somewhere
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Everything runs on HP?
What does your client-side look like?
I implemented some secure RAS for HP corp, and they have a pretty sweet set-up on both server and client side.
All clients are win2k with distributed batch updates done weekly.
I don't care for win32 stuff, but it's a breeze for them to administer to.
What does your client-side look like?
I implemented some secure RAS for HP corp, and they have a pretty sweet set-up on both server and client side.
All clients are win2k with distributed batch updates done weekly.
I don't care for win32 stuff, but it's a breeze for them to administer to.
