Feeling very flat, need carb up advice

[Vascular Freak]

I guess my carb cycling got a little out of control and I haven't had a high carb day for almost 2 weeks now. I trained back today and was very flat feeling, I did not get a real good pump.

It is now 8 pm and I am training in the am. I normally don't eat carbs after 4pm or so when dieting but I don't want to have another bad workout. I just got back from doing HIIT cardio, should I have some oats with chicken and broccolli or leave out the carbs until the am?

Tommorrow will be a high carb day for sure, should I wait till tomorrow or start adding carbs in now. If I am carb depleted, I can eat about 30 grams of carbs and go to bed and my body will not store any glycogen as fat correct, since my muscles are depleted?

Thanks for the help, I know its kind of a lame post, but something I always am confused with (meaning with the carbs at night).

 

[hankes64]

I guess my carb cycling got a little out of control and I haven't had a high carb day for almost 2 weeks now. I trained back today and was very flat feeling, I did not get a real good pump.

It is now 8 pm and I am training in the am. I normally don't eat carbs after 4pm or so when dieting but I don't want to have another bad workout. I just got back from doing HIIT cardio, should I have some oats with chicken and broccolli or leave out the carbs until the am?

Tommorrow will be a high carb day for sure, should I wait till tomorrow or start adding carbs in now. If I am carb depleted, I can eat about 30 grams of carbs and go to bed and my body will not store any glycogen as fat correct, since my muscles are depleted?

Thanks for the help, I know its kind of a lame post, but something I always am confused with (meaning with the carbs at night).

Ok first things first. HIIT burns carbs and strictly carbs only, nothing else. Its extremely catabolic like weights pretty much if you arent careful on a keto diet. I do not believe you need to run keto in order to drop some fat, thats unneeded. Get your macros down, time them and enjoy the results.

Also training for a pump is rediculous because what does that mean? It means you have blood flowing to your muscles, ok fine but it doesnt mean you havent stimulated your CNS or hypertrophy.

 

[solidspine]

This thread has forced me to eat a second piece of Cheesecake.

 

[silverbackn]

If you are that flat 30g's of carbs won't even begin to have any effect. Eat about 700 grams tomorrow and you may fill out some. It sounds to me like you are extremely depleted. It will take time to fill you back out.

 

[medrep]

I know its kind of a lame post, but something I always am confused with (meaning with the carbs at night).

I won't be any help here but I'm with you, i've tried to understand it and watch how my body reacts to different diets but i still don't get it. If i drop carbs i want to sleep all day. and i've noticed if i have a big bowl of pasta for dinner i actually feel ripped the next morning. wierd.

 

[Vascular Freak]

Ok first things first. HIIT burns carbs and strictly carbs only, nothing else. Its extremely catabolic like weights pretty much if you arent careful on a keto diet. I do not believe you need to run keto in order to drop some fat, thats unneeded. Get your macros down, time them and enjoy the results.

Also training for a pump is rediculous because what does that mean? It means you have blood flowing to your muscles, ok fine but it doesnt mean you havent stimulated your CNS or hypertrophy.

I actually do train really heavy bro, but a good pump is definetly an indication that your body is rested, properly nourished, and targeting the muscle. Now training light and just for a pump on the other hand I would agree is non sense.

 

[Mr.X]

If you're on a low carb diet, you're going to feel flat. You should switch up to a bodyopus so you can have controlled refeeds, which will make you 'full' for your workout.

 

[silverbackn]

I won't be any help here but I'm with you, i've tried to understand it and watch how my body reacts to different diets but i still don't get it. If i drop carbs i want to sleep all day. and i've noticed if i have a big bowl of pasta for dinner i actually feel ripped the next morning. wierd.

It's called filling back out! Your completely flat and look horrible when you keep your carbs too low for too long. You have to have higher days to refill your glycogen and keep your metabolic hormones in the optimal range. I never have people go longer than 7 days, in most caes 3 or 4, without having atleast a moderately high carb day. The reason you look ripped the next morning is that you filled the muscle back up and it's pushing against the skin, you gain your fullness and vascularity back.

 

[StRoNg_WoN]

Nothing like carb depleting, then the night before hitting the beach.. eating 600g carbs, and a little red wine… you look AMAZING the next day… it’s great…

 

[medrep]

It's called filling back out! Your completely flat and look horrible when you keep your carbs too low for too long. You have to have higher days to refill your glycogen and keep your metabolic hormones in the optimal range. I never have people go longer than 7 days, in most caes 3 or 4, without having atleast a moderately high carb day. The reason you look ripped the next morning is that you filled the muscle back up and it's pushing against the skin, you gain your fullness and vascularity back.

well then i must be a 2-3 day guy. then whats the point of the carb depleting if your not going into ketosis? just to make sure your burning fat during cardio?

it doesnt work if i've been eating carbs, only when i've been depleting a few days then hit the pasta. should this just be cycled over and over?

 

[Vascular Freak]

Nothing like carb depleting, then the night before hitting the beach.. eating 600g carbs, and a little red wine… you look AMAZING the next day… it’s great…

Hehe, I do the same thing except I add in some dandelion root the day before and of, and also increase my AIFM dose and dry right up while the carbs are filling out!

Lately though, I have felt like a 75 year old castrated man.... meaning I have been very flat and smooth looking because my carbs have been to low. When i was using 600mg test ew I could keep my carbs low and never flatten out but at only 200mg a week I need the carbs

 

[silverbackn]

well then i must be a 2-3 day guy. then whats the point of the carb depleting if your not going into ketosis? just to make sure your burning fat during cardio?

it doesnt work if i've been eating carbs, only when i've been depleting a few days then hit the pasta. should this just be cycled over and over?

Why are you so hung up on ketosis? I don't know a single person who is a competitive bb'er or from what I know about how pro's diet who ever try to get into ketosis. It doesn't mean a damn thing except you will be flat and weak. When you carb cycle you will flatten out and then fill it back up. This will help you hold mass and strength as you diet. Ketosis is played out with the atkins diet. When I carb depleted for my last show I only dropped to 100g's of carbs for 4 days and then went up to 900g's of carbs on Thursday and Friday. This all or nothing ketosis shit is a joke.

 

[silverbackn]

I can't believe that you guys do this shit to go to the beach

 

[medrep]

When you carb cycle you will flatten out and then fill it back up. This will help you hold mass and strength as you diet.

what the hell are you angry at and who's hung up on ketosis? i'm asking seriously what is the point of carb depleting? how does it help you hold mass & strength? i've never really had to diet until recently so i wanna know

 

[silverbackn]

what the hell are you angry at and who's hung up on ketosis? i'm asking seriously what is the point of carb depleting? how does it help you hold mass & strength? i've never really had to diet until recently so i wanna know

Carb depleting still serves it's purpose without you having to get into ketosis. It works through the same mechanisms. When you carb deplete your body will rely more on bodyfat as an energy reserve, when you start to go flat you fill back out to help hold muscle. If you just stay flat you will continually get weaker and flatter which means you are obvioiusly sacrificing muscle tissue. When you fill the muscle back up your strength will increase as will the amount of hardness and vascularity. I'm sorry if I came across as pissed off, it wasn't my intention. I was just trying to drive the point home. I could write about more 9 pages on this but I wont' because I'm even starting to bore myself.

 

[medrep]

LOL got it, that explains the 2-3 day deplete then 1 day load...thanks

 

[silverbackn]

LOL got it, that explains the 2-3 day deplete then 1 day load...thanks

It depends on the individual, how much muscle they are carrying, if they are carb sensitive etc. I have everyone that I work with cycle their carbs. It works very well for most.

 

[timtim]

carb cycling is the best. im going to use it during my lean bulk this winter too.

 

[StRoNg_WoN]

I just like to look dry and add that extra pop when hittin' up a beach party... what's the harm in that?

 

[silverbackn]

I just like to look dry and add that extra pop when hittin' up a beach party... what's the harm in that?

It's all good bro, you just have to realize that the average person can't tell a difference. Look at what the average american looks like in terms of body, you don't need to do anything different to stand out amongst them. It's just a lot of trouble to look 5% better for people who think anything under 15% looks great.

 

[iHulk]

controlling carb intake for the Ihulk has proven to be the most dramtic difference when it comes to body composition and symmetry. Going into Ketosis for extended periods (over 7 days) is just plain stupid. As a BB, you need carbs. Plus lets face it they taste so fucken good. On sundays I carb up to 600 to 700 grams of carbs and it feels absolutley amazing, plus it allows for a nice cheat day, not cheat meal, cheat day. Mon-Fri carb deplete and its working amazing. Saturday all depends on what I got planned. Try it and youshould never be tired, never too hungry and n ever too full. All the down to under 7% bf.

 

[Vascular Freak]

controlling carb intake for the Ihulk has proven to be the most dramtic difference when it comes to body composition and symmetry. Going into Ketosis for extended periods (over 7 days) is just plain stupid. As a BB, you need carbs. Plus lets face it they taste so fucken good. On sundays I carb up to 600 to 700 grams of carbs and it feels absolutley amazing, plus it allows for a nice cheat day, not cheat meal, cheat day. Mon-Fri carb deplete and its working amazing. Saturday all depends on what I got planned. Try it and youshould never be tired, never too hungry and n ever too full. All the down to under 7% bf.

Good info bro, your words of assurance are getting back on track

 

[silverbackn]

controlling carb intake for the Ihulk has proven to be the most dramtic difference when it comes to body composition and symmetry. Going into Ketosis for extended periods (over 7 days) is just plain stupid. As a BB, you need carbs. Plus lets face it they taste so fucken good. On sundays I carb up to 600 to 700 grams of carbs and it feels absolutley amazing, plus it allows for a nice cheat day, not cheat meal, cheat day. Mon-Fri carb deplete and its working amazing. Saturday all depends on what I got planned. Try it and youshould never be tired, never too hungry and n ever too full. All the down to under 7% bf.

I don't know if you have ever competed, but carbing up for a show is the best shit that's ever happened to a pre-contest bb'er. You are totally flat and exhausted and then all of the sudden you are crushing carbs like crazy and all is well in the world, especially when you get up in the middle of the night and look like a different person.