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FBI's Carnivore System....
- Thread starter Parabola
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Golfer18--old
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The way I like to look at things is like this. You didn't know about the stealth bomber until years after, not everything is kept public. I'm sure they can crack ziplip in seconds.
ripped1979
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oh fucking perfect! i just got a ziplip account!
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Golfer18--old
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Parabola said:
He knows bro. They have better shit than the Carnivore system. Can I prove it? No, but its like everything else..........
Hugh Gellatts
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yeah they have it. when rumors about this first hit some smart-ass at Exeter purposely wrote a bunch of e-mails with the trigger words (they might have even been in harmless combinations), and the feds checked up on him.
I heard from a techie buddy that all commercial encryption software is accessable to the government...the companies/individuals producing them MUST submit a backdoor key, or be imprisoned. So, the government doesn't have to 'hack' the encryptions....they can just waltz right in and read away effortlessly if they really want to.
Parabola said:
Correct- any server on the net that has an IP address that is NOT registered in the US only muct comply with whatever laws exist in their home country. However, if the encryption software that drives that site was written in the US, then it is also my understanding that by law the creator of the encryption algorythim must provide (the way i heard it) ON REQUEST a backdoor key. I understand that the only way they have to hand the key over is if the gvmt has something on somebody, and believe that they may be able to get further information for their case from info he/she has encrypted then they can go and ask the person who wrote the software to hand it over.
If any of this is wrong please correct me, i'm not a programmer so I really dont know the laws regarding writing encryption algo's that well other then what my programmer friends have told me.
Bern
encryption
It's still a joke if you're a true techy. International encryption is 40 key layered with PGP. Domestic encryption is 128 key and PGP layered (as an option). PGP can be hacked quite easily and 40 key is a joke. 128 key is hard but not impossible. The more difficult encryption layers are 256 random key using multi-hex for converted into binary with A-Z instead of A-F for characters and 0-26 instead of 0-15 like standard hex code. From what I understand from my brother (teacher at MIT) the CIA, DOD and NSA can still crack these code as well.
Look at the bright side, cracking this code is a bitch and it's time consuming. I doubt they will do all this work and spend all this time to arrest a bro with 60 vials of zambon winny!
Just don't be stupid with the postings and don't forget...all this talk is for animals and educational purposes only right?
Stay cool,
Aikido
It's still a joke if you're a true techy. International encryption is 40 key layered with PGP. Domestic encryption is 128 key and PGP layered (as an option). PGP can be hacked quite easily and 40 key is a joke. 128 key is hard but not impossible. The more difficult encryption layers are 256 random key using multi-hex for converted into binary with A-Z instead of A-F for characters and 0-26 instead of 0-15 like standard hex code. From what I understand from my brother (teacher at MIT) the CIA, DOD and NSA can still crack these code as well.
Look at the bright side, cracking this code is a bitch and it's time consuming. I doubt they will do all this work and spend all this time to arrest a bro with 60 vials of zambon winny!
Just don't be stupid with the postings and don't forget...all this talk is for animals and educational purposes only right?
Stay cool,
Aikido
There will never be a public email encryption method that cannot be cracked... trust me ;-) . Make your own encrypted emails if you wanna be really safe. Truthfully I really dont think anyone has the time to monitor emails but if someone was ever in some serious shit... they might take the time to decode/unencrypt a hushmail msg. But still only for the purpose of tracking down THAT person. If you are really worried, go to a pccafe and take care of your shit.. dont link it to your address at all and keep a separate email address for shady dealings only. Try to get a shell on an overseas box preferrably cuba SVITZERLANDZZZZ
if they wanna get you.....they will get you.
You might feel safe if you just dont email or IM anyone...
But they might be tapping your phones...
So dont speak on the phone...
And if you send cash western union.....they might be tracking it...
Or if youhave a GPS in your car.
They could be watching you right now.
You might feel safe if you just dont email or IM anyone...
But they might be tapping your phones...
So dont speak on the phone...
And if you send cash western union.....they might be tracking it...
Or if youhave a GPS in your car.
They could be watching you right now.
Baby Gorilla
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On the lighter side....
Although with terrorism mucking things up, let the FBI read all they want.
Without a warrant, anything they intercept is illegal to use.
So, they know you use gear. It's not a terrorist act, and national security doesn't justify a warrantless search or seizure.
They're looking for big fish. Don't sweat the small stuff. They bust you for something based on info from an intercepted encrypted e-mail. I'd love to see them explain that "probable cause" in court. They'd sooner let you go since they don't want to tip their hand about how much they do this stuff.
Although with terrorism mucking things up, let the FBI read all they want.
Without a warrant, anything they intercept is illegal to use.
So, they know you use gear. It's not a terrorist act, and national security doesn't justify a warrantless search or seizure.
They're looking for big fish. Don't sweat the small stuff. They bust you for something based on info from an intercepted encrypted e-mail. I'd love to see them explain that "probable cause" in court. They'd sooner let you go since they don't want to tip their hand about how much they do this stuff.
xsnrg
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and another thing.....your cell phone,brother can track you on that.And it make a good mic as well.Brother could listen in on your conversations and you wouldn't even know it.You wouldn't even have to be talking on the phone for them to listen.It could be laying on the table listing to all that juicy conversation.
Re: encryption
Exactly! The feds have got their hands full looking for people who are out to harm our country and stir up shit in the world. They don't give a damn what I buy to pump up my cows.
Aikido said:I doubt they will do all this work and spend all this time to arrest a bro with 60 vials of zambon winny!
Exactly! The feds have got their hands full looking for people who are out to harm our country and stir up shit in the world. They don't give a damn what I buy to pump up my cows.
karachikid
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Re: Re: encryption
If only that were true. There are so many different branches to the US Government brother, that the odds are(IMO) that at least one of them might have some interest in what you just assumed they do not. The Postal Inspectors seem to be hell-bent on getting anyone they can, at least in our little world. They only drag agencies like the FBI & DEA in when they need support. Dont forget the FDA either. IRS. USDA(for Plix). I dunno bro. I just never assume that they dont care. Thats when guys always seem to find out firsthand that they indeed do!
kbrkbr said:
If only that were true. There are so many different branches to the US Government brother, that the odds are(IMO) that at least one of them might have some interest in what you just assumed they do not. The Postal Inspectors seem to be hell-bent on getting anyone they can, at least in our little world. They only drag agencies like the FBI & DEA in when they need support. Dont forget the FDA either. IRS. USDA(for Plix). I dunno bro. I just never assume that they dont care. Thats when guys always seem to find out firsthand that they indeed do!
There is another deal besides carnivore they have. I did a search for Carnivore on google.com awhile back and read about it either ON the CIA, FBI or NSA's website they mentioned this other thing though and I cant remeber the name but it is can be pointed from I think 1 mile away at a computer screen and the frequency or temp, radiation output or combo will be reproduced on there machine It goes through walls windows all sorts of stuff Ill try to find the link it was really freaky
WeeMan
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Hugh Gellatts
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"BTW on the gov website I read that from it said neither one was being used on the public as of then this was a few months back though"
then what are they using it on? i guess the government is using this technology to get on porn pay-sites without a password or something.
then what are they using it on? i guess the government is using this technology to get on porn pay-sites without a password or something.
Weeman - the thing you are thinking about it called Tempest. It is based on a phenomena called "VanEck" (sp?) radiated energy (after the guy who wrote a paper on it in the 70's I think). Works on an amazing amount of equipment. Google on Tempest and vaneck or tempest and computer and see what comes up 
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