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BO-CEPHUS
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Well you see, millions of brainwashed sheep in this country will find nothing wrong with what our govenment is doing. They think the Gov Inc. should be able to violate all our rights as long as they have a "FEELING" of being safe.
Here is a pretty good article written by Harry Browne.
I Love America. Do You?
by Harry Browne
I love America.
I love every concept the Statue of Liberty stands for -- that individual
liberty is held above the objectives of government -- that, as Washington
and Jefferson said, America imparts good will toward all and threatens no
one -- that this country is so big-hearted and prosperous it can welcome
people from all over the world fleeing oppression or poverty.
I love the Bill of Rights -- the most noble document ever written to define
the limits that government should obey.
I love the concepts of free speech, absolute privacy, and religious freedom
embodied in our traditions and our Constitution.
I love the rule of law -- the right of accused persons to confront their
accusers, the right to an attorney, the right to remain silent, the right to
refuse admission to government officials wanting to enter your home or
office.
These are just some of the things that have made America unique in the
history of the world. They are a direct cause of America's prosperity, of
our security, of what makes America attractive to so many would-be
immigrants.
The "Hate America" Crowd
Unfortunately, too many Americans seem to have little love for that America.
They are quite willing to throw away the concepts I've described -- in order
to satisfy a lust for revenge against the September terrorists.
They're willing to abandon our cherished liberties -- giving the government
the power to do anything it wants. They assume -- falsely -- that such
invasions of liberty and privacy won't affect themselves, even though the
history of government demonstrates that what's applied against suspected
terrorists today will be applied against innocent Americans tomorrow.
They're willing to abandon free speech -- wanting to shut up those who don't
join in the rah-rah cheering as President Bush abandons the essence of what
made America unique and great.
They're willing to abandon the rule of law and transform America into a
police state -- where any law-enforcement agency, military court, or
intelligence agency can act as prosecutor, judge, and jury to decide your
future.
They're willing to let innocent Americans die -- by encouraging our
government to bomb innocent foreigners at will, almost guaranteeing that
there will be further terrorist attacks against us.
They're willing to continue transforming what was once a worldwide love of
America into a hatred for America -- caused by the correct perception that
American Presidents believe they can force any foreign nation to do their
bidding.
They make no objection when Congressmen pass bills -- without reading them
first or having any idea what's actually in them -- bills that take away
your liberties, pile more government debt on your family, and give the
President the power to do whatever he wants, as though he were a Roman
Emperor.
Words & Deeds
These people may not actually _hate_ America. They may even profess to love
America, but they show no understanding of what made America the precious
nation it is. Here is what some of their sentiments amount to . . .
* Contrary to the American respect for peace-loving people, they think our
hurt entitles us to hurt others -- even people who didn't hurt us.
* Contrary to the American tradition of individual responsibility, they want
to treat all Afghans as though they're bin Laden, and all Iraqis as though
they're Saddam Hussein -- making no distinction between the innocent and the
guilty.
* Contrary to the American ideal of individual liberty, they think freedom
may be a nice concept but state security is more important.
* Contrary to the American tradition of independent thought, they assert
that questioning your government is unpatriotic, paranoid, and tantamount to
treason.
* Contrary to the distrust of government that marked the Constitution and
the Bill of Rights, they think that -- despite all the mistakes our
government has made -- allegiance to the Fatherland is your highest duty.
* Contrary to the American way of good will toward all, they acknowledge
that America is being transformed into an armed fortress, but say that's the
price we must pay to be a superpower.
Those aren't the sentiments of people who recognize what made America the
most attractive place on earth to live. But in the supreme irony, these
people label those who protest against the destruction of American ideals
"America-haters."
Where Do You Stand?
Do _you_ love America?
If so, isn't it time you spoke out on behalf of America -- before the
President and Congress take away the rest of what made this the land of the
free?
Or are you just as happy to see America transformed into one more
bureaucratic warrior state, like so many of those in Europe and Asia?
I love America -- the one symbolized by the Statue of Liberty -- the America
that was the beacon of liberty, providing light and hope and inspiration to
the entire world. I want that America back.
The war-mongers may say they're patriotic Americans, but they're willing to
discard everything unique about America in order to satisfy their lust to
avenge the September tragedy.
The desire for revenge is understandable. But the rush to permanently
abandon the wonders of America to satisfy a temporary rage is not.
Here is a pretty good article written by Harry Browne.
I Love America. Do You?
by Harry Browne
I love America.
I love every concept the Statue of Liberty stands for -- that individual
liberty is held above the objectives of government -- that, as Washington
and Jefferson said, America imparts good will toward all and threatens no
one -- that this country is so big-hearted and prosperous it can welcome
people from all over the world fleeing oppression or poverty.
I love the Bill of Rights -- the most noble document ever written to define
the limits that government should obey.
I love the concepts of free speech, absolute privacy, and religious freedom
embodied in our traditions and our Constitution.
I love the rule of law -- the right of accused persons to confront their
accusers, the right to an attorney, the right to remain silent, the right to
refuse admission to government officials wanting to enter your home or
office.
These are just some of the things that have made America unique in the
history of the world. They are a direct cause of America's prosperity, of
our security, of what makes America attractive to so many would-be
immigrants.
The "Hate America" Crowd
Unfortunately, too many Americans seem to have little love for that America.
They are quite willing to throw away the concepts I've described -- in order
to satisfy a lust for revenge against the September terrorists.
They're willing to abandon our cherished liberties -- giving the government
the power to do anything it wants. They assume -- falsely -- that such
invasions of liberty and privacy won't affect themselves, even though the
history of government demonstrates that what's applied against suspected
terrorists today will be applied against innocent Americans tomorrow.
They're willing to abandon free speech -- wanting to shut up those who don't
join in the rah-rah cheering as President Bush abandons the essence of what
made America unique and great.
They're willing to abandon the rule of law and transform America into a
police state -- where any law-enforcement agency, military court, or
intelligence agency can act as prosecutor, judge, and jury to decide your
future.
They're willing to let innocent Americans die -- by encouraging our
government to bomb innocent foreigners at will, almost guaranteeing that
there will be further terrorist attacks against us.
They're willing to continue transforming what was once a worldwide love of
America into a hatred for America -- caused by the correct perception that
American Presidents believe they can force any foreign nation to do their
bidding.
They make no objection when Congressmen pass bills -- without reading them
first or having any idea what's actually in them -- bills that take away
your liberties, pile more government debt on your family, and give the
President the power to do whatever he wants, as though he were a Roman
Emperor.
Words & Deeds
These people may not actually _hate_ America. They may even profess to love
America, but they show no understanding of what made America the precious
nation it is. Here is what some of their sentiments amount to . . .
* Contrary to the American respect for peace-loving people, they think our
hurt entitles us to hurt others -- even people who didn't hurt us.
* Contrary to the American tradition of individual responsibility, they want
to treat all Afghans as though they're bin Laden, and all Iraqis as though
they're Saddam Hussein -- making no distinction between the innocent and the
guilty.
* Contrary to the American ideal of individual liberty, they think freedom
may be a nice concept but state security is more important.
* Contrary to the American tradition of independent thought, they assert
that questioning your government is unpatriotic, paranoid, and tantamount to
treason.
* Contrary to the distrust of government that marked the Constitution and
the Bill of Rights, they think that -- despite all the mistakes our
government has made -- allegiance to the Fatherland is your highest duty.
* Contrary to the American way of good will toward all, they acknowledge
that America is being transformed into an armed fortress, but say that's the
price we must pay to be a superpower.
Those aren't the sentiments of people who recognize what made America the
most attractive place on earth to live. But in the supreme irony, these
people label those who protest against the destruction of American ideals
"America-haters."
Where Do You Stand?
Do _you_ love America?
If so, isn't it time you spoke out on behalf of America -- before the
President and Congress take away the rest of what made this the land of the
free?
Or are you just as happy to see America transformed into one more
bureaucratic warrior state, like so many of those in Europe and Asia?
I love America -- the one symbolized by the Statue of Liberty -- the America
that was the beacon of liberty, providing light and hope and inspiration to
the entire world. I want that America back.
The war-mongers may say they're patriotic Americans, but they're willing to
discard everything unique about America in order to satisfy their lust to
avenge the September tragedy.
The desire for revenge is understandable. But the rush to permanently
abandon the wonders of America to satisfy a temporary rage is not.
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Code
Guest
When they say 'scramble' they mean tunneled, not encrypted
Many VPN vendors give you the option of optimizing your VPN for speed, this means it doesn't use D-H or an encryption algorithm...it simply broadcasts lots of white noise along with the data to make it harder to snoop on the line and grab bits of data.
Reporting like this is kind of a joke, since Anyone can use the so-called Magic Lantern....simply hack your VPN for total throughput and snoop on other people's tunnels with it.
Many VPN vendors give you the option of optimizing your VPN for speed, this means it doesn't use D-H or an encryption algorithm...it simply broadcasts lots of white noise along with the data to make it harder to snoop on the line and grab bits of data.
Reporting like this is kind of a joke, since Anyone can use the so-called Magic Lantern....simply hack your VPN for total throughput and snoop on other people's tunnels with it.
thebigugly
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I love people who bitch about the present system, yet offer no solution. "They" the machine are taking our freedom away! Bullshit. "Feeling safe" is employing the same tactics as your enemy. What do you recommend, let the Terrorist have the same freedoms and rights as you do? You want to talk about restrictions on freedom? Go to your local vet center, nursing home, and talk to some WWII vets and civilians. You have NO clue on government intervention. How would you like to get a letter from a family member and have part of it cut out? That’s government intervention. You pick up the phone, call your family member overseas, and “click" in the back round. Government rationing of foodstuffs and gasoline? We haven't even begun to have our rights infringed, and people today (including me) have never made SACRIFICES for our country. The government is doing the best it can without "Upsetting the hippies" Yes hippies, 50 to 60 year olds who were "Tuning in and dropping out" are the media, and print what they feel is the Problem with AMERICA. Like I have said before, go to some shit hole like, Mogadishu, and then bitch to me about right being violated. Pull your buddies out of a bombed out barracks in Lebanon and have some 16 year old shoot at you and then talk to me about " in order to satisfy a lust for revenge against the September terrorists." Live in the field for 6 months and take rounds, then tell me about "LOSS of Freedom". " They're willing to abandon the rule of law and transform America into a
Police state -- where any law-enforcement agency, military court, or intelligence agency can act as prosecutor, judge, and jury to decide your future." Another bullshit peacenik statement. What a man get shot for speaking of Christian beliefs! THE USA IS AND WILL BE THE GREATEST ON EARTH. I've said it before, I'll say it again, get a passport, take a tour to ANY third world country, get shot at, and then talk to me about the loss of freedom... God bless the United States and her people, and God Bless the United States Marine Corps, the premiere fighting force of the world!
"The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle. It is your killer instinct which must be harnessed if you expect to survive in combat. Your rifle is only a tool. It is a hard heart that kills. If your killer instincts are not clean and strong you will hesitate at the moment of truth. You will not kill. You will become dead Marines. And then you will be in a world of shit. Because marines are not allowed to die without permission! Do you maggots understand?"
Police state -- where any law-enforcement agency, military court, or intelligence agency can act as prosecutor, judge, and jury to decide your future." Another bullshit peacenik statement. What a man get shot for speaking of Christian beliefs! THE USA IS AND WILL BE THE GREATEST ON EARTH. I've said it before, I'll say it again, get a passport, take a tour to ANY third world country, get shot at, and then talk to me about the loss of freedom... God bless the United States and her people, and God Bless the United States Marine Corps, the premiere fighting force of the world!
"The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle. It is your killer instinct which must be harnessed if you expect to survive in combat. Your rifle is only a tool. It is a hard heart that kills. If your killer instincts are not clean and strong you will hesitate at the moment of truth. You will not kill. You will become dead Marines. And then you will be in a world of shit. Because marines are not allowed to die without permission! Do you maggots understand?"
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dballer
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My Fathers sister became an agent for the FBI... after what they did in Idaho and Waco.. I told her I will die before I ever talk to her again. It has been 7 years.. not a word
FarBeyondDriven
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So they are obtaining your passphrase and then looking at your mail. I was always a little concerned of hushmail like systems being run by the government to tell you the truth. Then they would have all the keys.
America is not a free country. We have more laws and imprison more of our citizens than any other country. Government is ran by big money corporations who lobby. We are becoming less of a democracy and growing towards socialism. The old ideas of freedom are out the door, big government is here to stay.
America is not a free country. We have more laws and imprison more of our citizens than any other country. Government is ran by big money corporations who lobby. We are becoming less of a democracy and growing towards socialism. The old ideas of freedom are out the door, big government is here to stay.
BO-CEPHUS said:Well you see, millions of brainwashed sheep in this country will find nothing wrong with what our govenment is doing. They think the Gov Inc. should be able to violate all our rights as long as they have a "FEELING" of being safe.
yes.......sacrafice freedom for "percieved" safety.....
the fbi and cia have an abismal record in regard to domestic surveillance, and general violations of our rights.
3 prime examples............
1.......project.....MK ULTRA first started by the CIA to discredit the piece movement...........
how.......they used LSD and slipped it to unsuspecting johns beverages in a whore house in SAN FRANCISCO...they watched the often bizarre and gruesome actions of the john behind the safety of a 2 way mirror........
CIA even gave it to members of staff......one official jumped out of the window.......because he did not know why he was going crazy....there was an official apologee to the family.
2 a progressive democratic group braught chrges against the FBI in the 80's
why?.......... because they were more undercover FBI agents in this party then theiir were real party members.
the FBI agents tried to discredit this goups by entrapping less intelligent members..in illegal proceedings that could be used to discredit its leaders..in the media.
3 COINTEL probe...............need I say more???????
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yes but they broke the law.......
and we all respect the law right???????
so why can't they???????/
in the CIA charter it is a specifiically forbiden by that the CIA engage in domestic surveillance.
and the FBI cannot conduct affairs like the one above without geting the proper authorization.......
you don't like criminals....and niether do I
and we all respect the law right???????
so why can't they???????/
in the CIA charter it is a specifiically forbiden by that the CIA engage in domestic surveillance.
and the FBI cannot conduct affairs like the one above without geting the proper authorization.......
you don't like criminals....and niether do I
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Lao Tzu
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dballer said:
i'm proud of you. ask her if she has ever used indirect threats against someone's kids as leverage before (i know it's necessary to keep the judicial system working, but it is still wrong).
i don't know how this computer hacking stuff works, but i hope/assume that there will be a way around it a month after it comes out.
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dballer
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nordstrom said:
I would Nord.. but I do not talk to her.. the last words she heard me say were.. "I am gonna go out for awhile.. I cannot eat with a American Traitor"
My grandmother cried.. which was sad.. but I cannot even look at her. She makes me sick. Disowned. My mother and father dislike her kind too. I bought them both the Ruby Ridge books and a video about what those pieces of human shit did in Waco. Makes me sick. That is not even going off on the whole AIM issue either.
Bush/Cheney have said that Osama and his thugs are guilty, so why even try them? What's the point?
They have no rights, so why not just shoot them? Why do they need the tribunal?
I have no respect for these agencies......bottom line, they failed the American people. They were warned by several other countries, have had several commissions (taxpayer financed) done on airport security, terrorism, homeland security, and all have been ignored, or no action taken place.
No one has been fired, demoted, or reprimanded. A lot of fingerpointing at either people no longer in the loop, or too small to fight back. NOTHING!
Our government jacks with our taxes, living, and death (estate), puts money in their friends pockets, at our expense, and feed us so much bullshit. 30 bil per year for the FBI, and look at the results of the war on drugs. I saw a report detailing the costs of discontinuing the war on drugs, and our DEA would lose over 7 billion per year if we shut it down. WTF?
I sincerely hope that out of these new changes, the American people wake the fuck up, and demand some REAL accountability,
realize what's really happening.
They have no rights, so why not just shoot them? Why do they need the tribunal?
I have no respect for these agencies......bottom line, they failed the American people. They were warned by several other countries, have had several commissions (taxpayer financed) done on airport security, terrorism, homeland security, and all have been ignored, or no action taken place.
No one has been fired, demoted, or reprimanded. A lot of fingerpointing at either people no longer in the loop, or too small to fight back. NOTHING!
Our government jacks with our taxes, living, and death (estate), puts money in their friends pockets, at our expense, and feed us so much bullshit. 30 bil per year for the FBI, and look at the results of the war on drugs. I saw a report detailing the costs of discontinuing the war on drugs, and our DEA would lose over 7 billion per year if we shut it down. WTF?
I sincerely hope that out of these new changes, the American people wake the fuck up, and demand some REAL accountability,
realize what's really happening.
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Code
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The estate tax was removed 6 months ago wasn't it?
OMEGA said:bammo for the progressives in the houseBO-CEPHUS said:Well you see, millions of brainwashed sheep in this country will find nothing wrong with what our govenment is doing. They think the Gov Inc. should be able to violate all our rights as long as they have a "FEELING" of being safe.
yes.......sacrafice freedom for "percieved" safety.....
the fbi and cia have an abismal record in regard to domestic surveillance, and general violations of our rights.
3 prime examples............
1.......project.....MK ULTRA first started by the CIA to discredit the piece movement...........
how.......they used LSD and slipped it to unsuspecting johns beverages in a whore house in SAN FRANCISCO...they watched the often bizarre and gruesome actions of the john behind the safety of a 2 way mirror........
CIA even gave it to members of staff......one official jumped out of the window.......because he did not know why he was going crazy....there was an official apologee to the family.
2 a progressive democratic group braught chrges against the FBI in the 80's
why?.......... because they were more undercover FBI agents in this party then theiir were real party members.
the FBI agents tried to discredit this goups by entrapping less intelligent members..in illegal proceedings that could be used to discredit its leaders..in the media.
3 COINTEL probe...............need I say more???????
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Code
Guest
Heh, Omega, you really enjoy being the only participant in this thread doncha?
not really
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Frackal
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dballer said:
Right on brother...."Waco: The Rules of Engagement..." Was it that one? Awesome and very, very disturbing documentary...
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