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DrJMW

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Male athletes with BF% around 20%+ are overweight and probably obese. 15% may be borderline overweight. These guys (and overweight/obese gals) should be concentrating on getting their BF% down before embarking on AAS cycles. After looking at blood testing and subjective results, I can conclude that HGH/cytomel cycles are the most effective for fat loss. Coupled with a high protein, low carb (<60g daily) and moderate clean fat diet, strength training and low-intensity cardio, you have the ideal fat loss regimen. Results are seen in a minimum of three month to six months. Both of these meds are readily available. The only disadvantage I have found is the cost of the HGH. But the good news is that once the fat is lost, low-dose AAS/antiestrogen and appropriate training and dieting will maintain the fat loss. Even though many users choose to stay "on" HGH indefinitely, it may not be necessary if using low-dose AAS for maintenance. Below is another recent study looking at HGH and fat loss. Through my studies, I have added cytomel to the stack with great success.

In addition, there is an Australian company that has isolated the HGH fragment responsible for lipolysis. They are in Phase II testing, and the results so far are successful. Interestingly, the pill isn't as effective for those will little need to lose fat as for those with 15%+ BF.

Low-dose recombinant human growth hormone as adjuvant therapy to lifestyle modifications in the management of obesity.
J Clin Endocrinol Metab 2004 Feb;89(2):695-701 (ISSN: 0021-972X)
Albert SG; Mooradian AD
Division of Endocrinology, Diabetes, and Metabolism, Department of Internal Medicine, St. Louis University School of Medicine, St. Louis, Missouri 63104, USA. [email protected].
Obese individuals are in a reduced GH/IGF-I state that may be maladaptive. Fifty-nine obese men and premenopausal menstruating women (body mass index, 36.9 +/- 5.0 kg/m(2)) were randomized to a double-blind, placebo-controlled trial of low dose recombinant human GH (rhGH). During the 6-month intervention, subjects self-administered daily rhGH or equivalent volume of placebo at 200 micro g (1.9 +/- 0.3 microg/kg for men, 2.0 +/- 0.3 microg/kg for women); after 1 month, the dose was increased to 400 microg (3.8 +/- 0.5 microg/kg) in men and 600 microg (6.0 +/- 0.8 microg/kg) in women. rhGH was then discontinued, and subjects were followed up after 3 months. Forty completed the intervention, and 39 completed the follow-up. Drop-out rates between rhGH vs. placebo groups were not different (chi(2) = 1.45; P = 0.228). One subject discontinued the drug due to an rhGH-related side effect. Body weight (BW) decreased with rhGH from 100.4 +/- 13.2 to 98.0 +/- 15.6 kg at 6 months (P = 0.04) and was sustained at 98.1 +/- 16.6 kg at 9 months (P = 0.02). BW loss was entirely due to loss of body fat (BF). Intention to treat analyses demonstrated changes from baseline between rhGH and placebo in BW (-2.16 +/- 4.48 vs. -0.04 +/- 2.67 kg; P = 0.03) and BF (-2.89 +/- 3.76 vs. -0.68 +/- 2.37 kg; P = 0.01). rhGH increased IGF-I from -0.72 to +0.10 SD (P = 0.0001). rhGH increased high-density lipoprotein cholesterol 19% from 1.11 +/- 0.34 to 1.32 +/- 0.28 mmol/liter (P < 0.001). Neither group had changes in fasting glucose, insulin sensitivity, or resting energy expenditure. In conclusion, in obesity, rhGH normalized IGF-I levels, induced loss of BW from BF, and improved lipid profile without untoward effects on insulin sensitivity.
 
Good stuff doc. I'm am definitely one of those obese men but like you said, cost is definitely concrete wall preventing me from taking that leap :(
 
Cardiac arrythmias are an extremely common side effect of taking thyroid medications. It can elicit or potentiate any tendency for heart rhthym abnormalities : atrial tachycardia, atrial fib, sick sinus syndrome etc with associated symptoms of "fluttering" in the chest, dizziness and syncope, dementia and obtundation (difficulty thinking and remembering shit), shortness of breath. Combine that with increased stress on the heart like doing cardio and it is possible for serious cardiac side effects to occur.

Guys (and gals) don't ignore any scarey symptom if you try this. Fat loss is not worth wearing a pacemaker the rest of your life...or as Fukkenshredded has written "there is no reward for being the biggest and best looking cadaver in the coffin".

Cardiac complications probably do not occur in most people, but it is very common. It can happen with any thyroid medication : cytomel (probably the most likely to cause it), synthroid and armour (natural forms).

Dr.JMW - you are a great asset here but the idea that being 15% body fat is borderline obese for an athlete is too much of a generalization. I think I understand what you are trying to communicate - since most of the athletes here are concerned more with body image than performance - but it completely leaves out football lineman, Olympic style weightlifters, shot putters, cage fighters competing in the heavier groups, Sumo (yes it is a sport), discus throwers, some powerlifters. Sure for a sprinter, wide receiver etc leaner is definately better - but if you are taking a punch or kick to the gut a little fat helps and a shot putter does not need to have the same body fat as a ballerina to compete in their sport. And a person can be 15% and be very healthy - many people (male and female) start having health problems when they get into the single digits.
 
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