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ajtomasi
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How about people should just eat less.
Lao Tzu
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peopel do lose weight, they do it all the time. but they usually just gain it back. Keeping weight off is what people need to learn to do, i'd bet 90% of all fat people you've seen have lost weight. they just can't keep it off. It takes a radical lifestyle change that your body fears will lead to death to maintain weight loss. most people don't have the motivation to maintain it.
Parabellum
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Can I have that Super Sized.
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eurorides
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i saw 2 people at the store the other day...both like 50-80lbs overweight.....they must have had 50 atkins bars in their cart. i wanted to tell them something, but it would be rude. whole foods and a strict diet!!
Lao Tzu
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eurorides said:
they'll lose some weight, maybe keep it off for 2-3 months. then they'll gain it back, just like 95% of people.
Besides, this post contradicts what everyone on this thread is saying, that fat people don't try to lose weight. They try to lose weight (as the ones in the store were) and they do lose weight all the time they just can't keep it off.
CollegeKid2
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from my two-week experience with dieting (CKD diet to get super ripped) i can totally understand why people fail at dieting. it's hard as fuck not to eat carbs. and if you aren't exercising hardcore like most of us do, those carbs turn into lumps of fat. so i can understand why there are so many fat people, but it doesnt make it any less disgusting.
Lao Tzu
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CollegeKid2 said:
according to the national weight control registry (an organization started to fight the idea that its impossible to lose weight and keep it off for an extended period of time) most people who keep weight off don't do it with low carb, they do low fat. and the exercise they do is walking, which is barely exercise IMO. So going low carb and doing high intensity cardio are not overly common means of keeping weight off.
dusty2 said:
that is a good post and great observation dusty2
Scarlett33
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I just finished reading a book called "Fat Land" : How Americans became the Fattest people in the world. Its a real eye opener. The book touches on all of the reasons you guys have mentioned including the cheapness and availablity of junk food.
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jenscats5
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I work with a woman who is overweight & she tells me I eat "weird" things so she won't invite me out to lunch. I asked her what do I eat that's weird?? I eat fruits, veggies, whole grains, chicken, etc.....How the F is that weird??
Another woman tells me she wishes she could look like me. I always tell her you can! it just takes work! She replies that she isn't willing to do any of it. Well, then it sucks to be you.
Another woman tells me she wishes she could look like me. I always tell her you can! it just takes work! She replies that she isn't willing to do any of it. Well, then it sucks to be you.
supersizeme
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finally...something we haven't talked about on Elite before
I know people like this. If that's what they want, then that's what they get...
TC2
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fsupat70 said:
Tis true, You guys want to see how fat and lazy america really is, work in a super market.
It really boils down to people being lazy as fuck and STUFFING their faces with garbage.
Its funny to see the direct corralation(sp?) between the fatasses and the semi fit people(very rare), the fat ones always load up their cart with nothing but junk(chips,coke,cakes)almost no whole foods.
They are also the ones that are super lazy, want you to do everything for them.
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Imakarum_Mirabilis
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Losing fat is fucking easy. It's simple math and a modicum of self-control.
I could cut their fat loaves off with a large carving knife. They wouldn't even have to pay me. I'm all sorts of kind like that.
Seriously, though, it's fucking easy.
I could cut their fat loaves off with a large carving knife. They wouldn't even have to pay me. I'm all sorts of kind like that.
Seriously, though, it's fucking easy.
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eurorides
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nordstrom said:
i think the problem also is "diet foods" are so shitty....they think "o it only has 2g of fat" hahaha but the 40g of sugar isnt helping much.
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eurorides
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if they dont want to change their diet they should just spend 4,5hrs on cardio a day 
Lao Tzu
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FitFossil said:
remember atrollfromthefatboards? she was a veternarian, she had a 4 year undergrad degree in a life science, got into a hard graduate field and did 4 years of medical training. That doesnt show lack of discipline or responsibility. there are fat doctors, fat scientists, fat politicians, fat millionaires.
The lack of desire is true, lack of chronic motivation to keep the weight off is a major factor. But alot of fat people are just as accomplished as skinny people.
Lao Tzu
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Imakarum_Mirabilis said:
it is easy. its like that old quote by mark twain
"Quitting smoking is easy! I've done it 100 times"
Losing weight isn't hard, virtually every fat person you see has lost weight once, twice, maybe 5-6 times. Al Roker said that before his gastric surgery he had lost about 1000 lbs in total over the course of his life, he just regained it back.
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Imakarum_Mirabilis
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nordstrom said:
She has a lack of discipline and responsibility when it comes to her fat-loss goals, which you seem to have overlooked in your efforts to be a contrarian, Nordy.
Her other areas of life were not central to this conversation, although some implications were made. Turn it around, though, then, and let's not use a solitary example of success, an exception, and let us then look at the droves of fat failures.
Lao Tzu
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Imakarum_Mirabilis said:
My point is you guys seem to be stating that fat = lazy & unmotivated. i disagree there are fat people who are accomplished. 60% of america is overweight and many of them are trying to lose weight. many of them are everyday people, they are wealthy, or educated, or socially gifted.
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Imakarum_Mirabilis
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nordstrom said:
And?
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Imakarum_Mirabilis
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nordstrom said:
We guys (you know, myself and all of the other portions of my fractal personality) are stating that, in relation to losing fat and then no longer being fat, people who are fat are, for the vast majority, lazy and unmotivated.
I am talking about fat. Not money. Not education. Not social gifts.
Fat.
Fat.
Also, fat.
Imakarum_Mirabilis said:
That's a silly statement.
What if I say gaining mass is easy - all it requires is some time in the gym.
You'll be beefcake musclehead material IN JUST 9 WEEKS! - if you are disciplined.
Self-control and discipline are only factors to success but that offer no guarantee.
Lao Tzu
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well Imakarum_Mirabilis in response to post 29
Losing weight is easy, virtually everyone has done it. but as long as people cannot keep it off obesity will remain an epidemic. People focus too much on losing weight and not on maintaining the loss. Virutally all fat people do/can lose weight but they have trouble keeping it off. when people figure out how to do that then obesity rates will decline.
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ok. I was getting the impression that being fat = being lazy & incompetent all around.
i'd add uneducated to the list, i think uneducation is a bigger factor than lack of motivation for people being fat. Starvation diets, fad diets, lack of understanding that obesity is a chronic condition that needs chronic treatment & lack of understanding of pharmaceuticals are rampant.
Losing weight is easy, virtually everyone has done it. but as long as people cannot keep it off obesity will remain an epidemic. People focus too much on losing weight and not on maintaining the loss. Virutally all fat people do/can lose weight but they have trouble keeping it off. when people figure out how to do that then obesity rates will decline.
post 30
ok. I was getting the impression that being fat = being lazy & incompetent all around.
i'd add uneducated to the list, i think uneducation is a bigger factor than lack of motivation for people being fat. Starvation diets, fad diets, lack of understanding that obesity is a chronic condition that needs chronic treatment & lack of understanding of pharmaceuticals are rampant.
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Imakarum_Mirabilis
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velvett said:
The acquisition of muscle mass cannot be forced. The loss of fat can be forced.
Two entirely different processes that cannot be compared in terms of "ease".
If you are burning fat with your dietary manipulation, endocrine adjustment, and other manners of substance application, it WILL occur (it will also occur with just the dietary manipulation, but at a reduced rate and/or degree).
I can train perfectly. I can eat enough to supply the demands of my actions and the building of new tissue. I can rest adequately. I can take any drug in existence. I *may* gain muscle. I may also gain fat, organ weight, fluid stores, and so forth. My body MAY even upregulate UCPs to burn more Calories at rest. Significant results are not certain. Especially as one has progressed over time. Diminishing returns set in.
However, we are not talking about people with large levels of muscle mass or low levels of adipose tissue.
We are talking about people with high degrees of adiposity. As such, your counterpoints have no application.
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Imakarum_Mirabilis
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nordstrom said:
I was not implying that, mind you.
A lack of education, by the way, is one's own fault. Knowledge is meant to be sought. It has never sought me. Therefore, it still will boil down to personal responsibility.
Imakarum_Mirabilis said:
I don't want to get into a scientific debate with you - but losing fat for some people is not easy and losing fat for some people is on the bottom of their list.
My point is there are no absolutes.
Some can, some can't and many just don't care to.
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Imakarum_Mirabilis
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nordstrom said:
If one educates one's self, one can separate the useful from the useless. If looking in the wrong places finds them no effective solutions, then perhaps the idiot monkeys ought to consider looking in the right places. Most people who find the answers they really need do so by trial and error.
Learning is a perpetual process. There is no painless solution to a given problem. Some work must be done. Effort must be put forth. Working smart is much better than simply working hard, but working hard is still working, and is better than the general apathy that most often pervades various aspects of ignorant humanity.
Imakarum_Mirabilis said:
Well said! Especially "Working smart is much better than simply working hard, but working hard is still working, and is better than the general apathy that most often pervades various aspects of ignorant humanity."
In my other post I did not imply that fat people were lazy in all areas of their life. They may very well be successful in everything they do except for their weight. And if they're happy with that, fine. Everyone has their own priorities.
We can all think we want something really bad, like to be rich or have a great body. But do we want it bad enough to do the work and make the sacrifices? Will we be industrious enough to seek the knowledge we need to accomplish our goals? And should we fail, will we be brave enough to try again (and again) until we succeed?
I agree somewhat. I think that's basically the heart of the problem.
Think about it, it takes extreme determination to change our bodies to what we want.
Most people being fed bullshit (in the way of food as well as pure lies) try and try and finally just give up.
So in a way, it's not necessarily lazyness.
BUT if someone really wants to lose bodyfat and change the way they look, then for goodness sakes LOOK FOR HELP!! If what you're doing ain't helping, then ASK!!! Go to a gym!!! Ask people that are fit!! Seriously!
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ajtomasi
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the key is steroids
anyone over 150lbs is on steroids
anyone over 150lbs is on steroids
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