Fast Acting Esters To Finish Up Cycle

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Ok say you did a 10 week eq, sus and/or deca cycle. At the end of the cycle you still have to wait 3 weeks b4 you start clomid due to the long 1/2 lifes. Its been discussed in various threads about adding a short acting ester during those last weeks in order to keep up your test levels while the long acting ester exits your system. The most recommended seem to be fina and test propinate.

My questions are:

1. What about orals such as winny and/or anavar. Are they short acting enough to get the job done too? And how are those two orals when used together?

2. How many weeks should you overlap the long and short esters, if at all? For example, if eq was week 1-10 should you run fina wks 10-13 or 8-13?

Thanks

 

[M56M]

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[Zyglamail]

1. What about orals such as winny and/or anavar. Are they short acting enough to get the job done too? And how are those two orals when used together?

Any oral would be fine if you ask me, its just like using them up front so you get faster gains while the long etsers take time to kick in. I would be carefull which two you run together, the general rule of thumb is never run more than one oral at a time.

2. How many weeks should you overlap the long and short esters, if at all? For example, if eq was week 1-10 should you run fina wks 10-13 or 8-13?

Its not the overlap time thats important, its how far after the long ester you continue the oral or short ester. For eq/enth and cyp I would have the oral/short ester go at least two weeks and for deca or test decanoate I would prolly run it at least 3 weeks past.

 

[GearCowboy]

Yes I agree...

I'm going to be switching to test prop for weeks 9-12 of my cycle, and running my Fina until week 12 as well. This way I can hopefully still be making gains, while I'm waiting for the longer acting esters to clear out of my body. Here's what my cycle looks like....

Sustanon weeks 1-9 @ 750mg/w
Test Prop weeks 10-12 @ 750mg/w
Equipoise weeks 1-10 @ 600mg/w
Dianabol weeks 1-5 @ 40mg/day
Finaplex weeks 6-12 @ 75mg/day

I'll still have to wait a little less than a week after my last shot of Fina and Prop, just because the EQ won't be all out of my system. But this is still MUCH more productive then just running them all until week 10 and waiting 3 weeks to start clomid. Or at least that's my opinion!

 

[needsize]

I remember reading somewhere that deca and fina together cause the type of gyno that nolva won't stop, anyone know of this? My next cycle has deca in it but I was hoping to use fina at the end to ride out the long acting esters.....

 

[WannaImpress]

needsize

Yeah, thats one of the biggest issues right now anadrol/deca/fina can cause progesterone sides (key words here) only if your prone to it. And ofcourse you won't know unless you try them on their own. RU-486 is said to be the only 100% progesterone blocker, and winny can also help you combat it!

 

[needsize]

I lose there though as my hair falls out like it's going out of style when I use winny

 

[M56M]

I lose there though as my hair falls out like it's going out of style when I use winny

same boat here bro...

I am using fina in my next cycle and already have the winny but used it before on a very low scale and noticed hairloss real quick. Been looking for something to combat it but haven't really had any luck.

M56M

 

[Zyglamail]

I remember reading somewhere that deca and fina together cause the type of gyno that nolva won't stop, anyone know of this?

Both of these products cause sides from progesterone not estrogen, thats why nolva, clomid, arimied etc dont stop it. SInce they both cause PR sides, mixing them is not a great idea. The exemption would be low dose deca in a cycle for the joints.

 

[needsize]

What do you think of using dbol weeks 1-4 on an 8 week cycle to kick start it, then using it again weeks 9,10,11 till the clomid so those weeks arent wasted. One opinion I got was that trying to push my body that far past week 8 was too much, but if my nuts are shut down I figure I may as well try to keep gaining, the period in between cycles seems too damn long as it is?