Experienced female T3 users..

[FlexBailey]

My girl is thinking about using T3. She has never used anything other than thermogenics and has been told by a Pro female about T3. Good idea or bad?
I'd appreciate any positive or negative feedback regarding this drug you may have from your personal experience. Thanks.

 

[muskles]

good idea if using a steroid so not to lose precious muscle, and knowing how to taper. i tried to find warlobo's 't3 causes brain damage' thread but can't.. i'm sure you can find info on tapering it, though, by doing a search.

i'm just finishing my taper-off on t3 while on anavar and have had successful results. she'll have to have a super clean diet, though, or it may not help much. whenever i wasn't eating clean i'd hit a plateau in weight loss.

 

[muskles]

oh, and i didn't notice much happening until i started reaching higher doses, then the weight seemed to come off pretty quickly.. and even now that i'm almost off i'm still getting more cut.

i'm a little nervous coming off of it since i've heard that there could be a rebound effect, but all the more reason 2 keep my diet super clean right now. i'm also using eca as i come off to help prevent any possible rebound. supposedly, with a slow taper off there shouldn't be a rebound either.. i'd hate to be on this thing w/o an anabolic, though.

 

[NY Muscle]

oh, and i didn't notice much happening until i started reaching higher doses, then the weight seemed to come off pretty quickly.. and even now that i'm almost off i'm still getting more cut.

i'm a little nervous coming off of it since i've heard that there could be a rebound effect, but all the more reason 2 keep my diet super clean right now. i'm also using eca as i come off to help prevent any possible rebound. supposedly, with a slow taper off there shouldn't be a rebound either.. i'd hate to be on this thing w/o an anabolic, though.

i posted a great taper for t3 under lobos t3 thread last year....shame i cant find the damn thing, the search engine wont show up any results.

look for my name under lobos t3 post, if anyone cand find it, direct me to it, as ive had many requests for the taper i outlined.


but heres a little hint, dont even do 1/2 of the dose lobo recommended, trust me on this..unless u like getting fat after you stop t3.

 

[FlexBailey]

My girl won't be taking any anabolics. She trains with weights and does shitloads of cardio but she's not looking to gain muscle. She just wants to burn a little bit of fat off. She's been dieting very strictly for about the past 6 months and she's not satisifed with her results. I can vouche for her being that i'm a experienced competitive bodybuilder..6 out of 7 days a week she eats VERY CLEAN. She alternates protein and carbs days and does cardio 5-6 days a week.
Her metabolism has hit a wall, that is the main problem.

 

[diamonddiceclay]

My girl won't be taking any anabolics. She trains with weights and does shitloads of cardio but she's not looking to gain muscle. She just wants to burn a little bit of fat off. She's been dieting very strictly for about the past 6 months and she's not satisifed with her results. I can vouche for her being that i'm a experienced competitive bodybuilder..6 out of 7 days a week she eats VERY CLEAN. She alternates protein and carbs days and does cardio 5-6 days a week.
Her metabolism has hit a wall, that is the main problem.

she should try eating clean 7 days a week before using drugs

 

[NY Muscle]

she should try eating clean 7 days a week before using drugs

damn you beat me to it!! LMFAO

 

[starfish]

Warlobo's T3 thread is on the Platinum board.

 

[KEL]

Warlobo's T3 thread is on the Platinum board.

that's too bad- there was some good information for those who were just dropping by

 

[starfish]

Maybe it is on both boards??? I know I saw it on Platinum but did they remove it from here??

 

[NY Muscle]

Maybe it is on both boards??? I know I saw it on Platinum but did they remove it from here??

figures.....

personally thats a good thing..as i felt the info was DANGEROUS outlined in his t3 post... keep it on that plat board and away from the newbies who dont know better and would do the cycle he outlined. too bad you cant see my taper i outlined.

 

[FlexBailey]

she should try eating clean 7 days a week before using drugs

You have got to be kidding.. Eating clean 7 days a week can actually be shown to LOWER metabolism. Unless you're dieting for a show there is never a reason to go 7 clean days of eating consecutive. But hey, thanks for replying.*L*

 

[muskles]

She trains with weights and does shitloads of cardio but she's not looking to gain muscle.

Flexbaley - did you read what i wrote? i said she would need to take it not to LOSE muscle if she decides to take t3. she won't gain any.. at least very little if at all because the t3 will do a good job of getting rid of both fat and muscle.

if she were to take t3 w/out an anabolic (such as anavar) she would be more likely to gain it back because losing the muscle would slow down her metabolism once she was off t3.

NYM - now u got me worried! i've been on t3 as lobo outlined, and will be coming off w/in the next week. i'll be starting NYC as i come off to try and prevent any rebound. i've also cut my cals significantly this week, and am being much more strict. i'll also be on anavar for a few more weeks to try and gain a bit more muscle before ending my cycle. i've been doing 30 minutes cardio almost every morning, and will continue to do so. any advice 4 me?

 

[diamonddiceclay]

You have got to be kidding.. Eating clean 7 days a week can actually be shown to LOWER metabolism. Unless you're dieting for a show there is never a reason to go 7 clean days of eating consecutive. But hey, thanks for replying.*L*

that is 1 of the most repeated, incorrect things on the elite boards-cheat days are an excuse to give in to weakness-they don't help you cut bf

 

[FlexBailey]

that is 1 of the most repeated, incorrect things on the elite boards-cheat days are an excuse to give in to weakness-they don't help you cut bf

I know top trainers who would definitely disagree. Cheat days are by all means healthy and beneficial. I know some trainers who leave cheat days in their clients diets up until 4 weeks out from a show. But that is COMPETITORS. We're talking about the average hard working female trainee who has hit the wall in terms of progress and it seems like diet no matter how clean isn't cutting it. You have to have one day to live like a human and eat what you want, come on!

 

[KEL]

FlexBailey-I've copied some very important information from another post. I hope you will invest a little time and read. Also a cheat day is just fine for MOST of the ladies!

My Pappy Once Said, "Don't Get On The Train If'en Ya Don't Where It's Going

What with all the recent evens with the Thin Board I though it might be a good
time to go over a few philosophical points and the reasoning behind the quest to
drop fat.

Chemicals such as T3, DNP, ECA, lasex, and the multitude of other
drugs are not bad, good, or indifferent. Often I’ve stated this very same about
steroids. Fat/weight loss drugs are a tool, an option, a choice. Used wisely,
with purpose, and with CLARITY OF MIND, they can assist in achieving goals.

That being said, I am going to say a few things that I think 80% of you forget:

1. THEY WILL NOT CHANGE YOUR LIFE.

2. The benefits of using such fat/weight loss drugs only work WHILE YOU USE THEM, and often only for a limited time.

3. As soon as you “go off” YOU WILL REBOUND.

4. These chemicals will not remove ONE SINGLE FAT CELL!!

5. You will, in fact, be more prone to rebound to a HIGHER fat percentage once you have lost the weight and stop the drug use.

Now don’t get me wrong. For specific goals of a LIMITED time frame they can
work wonders. If you have a show, photo shoot, or other event with MONITARY
repercussions then these will, and do work - very well I might add, and should
be in ones arsenal. Trying to drop 15 pounds for that trip to the Bahamas does
not justify using DNP or some such. Getting down and trying to maintain your
bodyfat % in the low teens or into the single digits just to “look good” is NOT
justification for using these sorts of drugs in my book. And please folks, let’s
not go off on a tangent about certain medical conditions (thyroid comes to
mind). I’m fully aware that some folks do have certain situations, don’t make me
waste board space on that rancid argument.

For more permanent changes, you need to change your LIFE STLYE. First and
foremost, before you even think about where and who to buy from, you really need to sit down in front of mirror and think about what you’re trying to do. You
need to think about the long term. You need to think about what is best to do
now, and in the near future, which will benefit you the most down the road.
What will have the most positive effect on your body (and mind) a year from now,
two years from now?? I can assure you that DNP, T3, ECA, Lasex, and the like
are NOT on that list.

So what should be on that “list”? What can you do now and in the future? Well
good Ladies, it’s something you all ready know - It’s proper nutrition,
combined with a solid weight lifting program, with some cardio tossed in as
needed. This, and this alone, is the path to SUSTAINED results. It is a LIFE
STYLE and for many it is well over due. Think about it, if you can’t get rid
of the fat without the drugs, what the hell makes you think you can keep it off
once you stop using the drugs??? Don’t kid yourselves. Sure, you might hang in
there for a few weeks. But if you don’t change your habits, you’re just walking
on a long plank and time you ain’t got. For heaven’s sakes don’t try to toss me
no BS about how you will change your habits DURING or AFTER you drop a few
pounds…. COME ON, please, do my posts make me look THAT DUMB!?!?! (MS and W6 are not allowed to respond - as well as any of the Mods ) Good grief, that
is like my six year old nephew telling me that if I would just give him $20 he
will prove that he can start saving money. Bwaahahaaaaaa!!

We all know that there are more than a few women on the board that are involved
in the BBing sport on some level, and have a few more that deal with the photo
side (or both). But for the rest of us – the other 90%, we should all take
inventory of what the heck we are doing and why.

Look, I can tell you all where to go get damn near anything, how to use it, what
the best dose is, and a 1000 other things you can use/do to get to where you
want to go in the safest manner I know. But the bottom line, the last word, and
what I feel this board is truly about, is something you all have already. It
doesn’t cost much, and will make your life much more enjoyable – and hopefully
LONGER:

It’s proper nutrition, combined with a solid weight lifting program, with some
cardio tossed in as needed.

So I hope you each take this to mind the next time you e-mail me, another mod,
or any of the vets asking about the best and quickest chemical path for weight
loss. Mods, vets, I hope you take the person to task should you get such a
question and remember the life your advising on the other end of the computer is
not your own. Long term results don’t happen with quick fixes.
(Lobo theorem #4)

 

[NY Muscle]

NYM - now u got me worried! i've been on t3 as lobo outlined, and will be coming off w/in the next week. i'll be starting NYC as i come off to try and prevent any rebound. i've also cut my cals significantly this week, and am being much more strict. i'll also be on anavar for a few more weeks to try and gain a bit more muscle before ending my cycle. i've been doing 30 minutes cardio almost every morning, and will continue to do so. any advice 4 me?

what would make you come to the conclusion that NYC or any *herb* or OTC *supplement* would undo any possible damage and/or prevent a rebound from taking t3 ( A DRUG) at the insane doses (for a girl) outlined by lobo? ( i dont know ur doses but some missfortunate girls have taken his advice and gone as high as 175mcg!!!!!!)

so what would lead you to this conclusion? you read it on some *internet chat site*?

i hope you can see my sarcasm, but some of you people need a reality check.

THYROID is NOT something to be played with...its just as catabolic to MUSCLE as it is to fat...and you can mess yourself up whether it be short term or long term...but regardless how long..no one wants to get fat for any period of time...

your best bet is to find my post in lobos t3 thread and you will see how to taper properly to avoid SOME of the rebound.

BTW - some people will argue * there is no documented facts of someone getting messed up from t3 use* blah blah... yeah like even 1/2 the drug users on this site goto a dr regularly and would be able to document it....and heres the answer to that claim.......the medical field/doctors DO NOT consider getting fat after coming off t3 a *bad side effect* as WE *bodybuilders* (oh i use that term very loosely) do....they consider the REBOUND a GOOD thing and that is what is supposed to happen.

stay away from t3, low dose MAYBE you can get away with, with no rebound but at that low dose why bother? eca or clen is much better and no thyroid rebound....and the higher doses that do work, well that also comes with a rebound.

 

[Hbone]

Anything over 12.5 mikes a day while not taken AS is futile. As far taking a women up to 175 mikes day NY is correct unless your psyco. At low dosages with a clean diet for 6-8 weeks after you have tapered off you can evade the rebound effects.This is where the majority off people screw up , they increase there cals way before the thyroid has a chance to catch up.

 

[NY Muscle]

I want to also remind some of the people on here, and id say about 85%+ of you are NOT competitive bodybuilders/figure/fitness, and will NEVER step on stage, and then there’s the 50% who say they will compete or are “training for a show” (meanwhile they have been training for this so called “show” for the past 3-4 years..) and use this “show” as an excuse for why they are doing the drugs they are doing……and when you people “hear” that the pros for instance are doing 150mcg of t3, 200mcg of t3, 250mcg of t3, etc etc, you think you can apply that to yourselves, well you are wrong. You think they care how fat they get if the off season? Do you think the only reason people like Lee Priest get fat in the off season is because of the crap he eats? NOPE, try the fact that he goes from like 250mcg of t3, down to nothing, of course he’s gonna blow up and the fact that he eats so much shit doesn’t help either. But most of you people on here do NOT have an off season and do NOT want to get fat, so DON’T mess with the t3, the results you get are just not worth it. And for the people who compete and don’t mind the rebound that comes with it, there still is no reason to go so high on t3 use, its just not needed.
Next time some of you are at the doctors tell them you are taking 1000mg of test and they may say, “damn what for” then tell them you are doing 150+mcg of t3 and they will most likely have you committed to an institution…the body has a nice feed back mechanism for when you take too much juice, as it does with thyroid, but you are at a greater risk with high dose thyroid meds than you are for high dose steroids.

 

[dieslgrl]

There will always be ways to increase metabolism without drugs.. It seems as though you want us to say...."hhhmmmm , yeah!!! that's it! there is nothing more this girl can do to lose weight! she only has t3 left as an option!!" but simply, that is not the case...

what you want to hear... "yeah, t3 will help her lose weight.. if she does it, do the bare minimal dose at 12.5mcg... she could try 25mcg, but absolutely no more... don't do it more than five weeks, and make sure she tapers back down to 12.5mcg before she quits"

What she SHOULD do-- adjust her training... adjust her dieting... everything works, but only for a short period of time... she has plateaued because she has been doing the same thing for too long... she could try increasing her cardio intensity/duration/frequency... and for god's sake, she isn't going to turn into a football player if she picks up a weight... it is probably exactly what she needs... the more muscle she has (which will be hard to gain) the faster her metabolism, the more fat she will burn at rest, the denser her bones, the aahhhh.. fuck it... just train...

as far as her diet, that could also be adjusted... maybe that same rotation of carbs, protein, fat just isn't reponding anymore.. without adequate information on that I can't direct you further...

so, try to do the other things before the t3... she doesn't need it, but if she does it, don't do more than 25mcg...

dg

 

[Temple]

I want to also remind some of the people on here, and id say about 85%+ of you are NOT competitive bodybuilders/figure/fitness, and will NEVER step on stage, and then there’s the 50% who say they will compete or are “training for a show” (meanwhile they have been training for this so called “show” for the past 3-4 years..) and use this “show” as an excuse for why they are doing the drugs they are doing……

I do not for the life of me understand how competition should be the standard by which drug use is acceptable or not acceptable. I am an artist, I get paid EXTREMELY WELL for what I do, dropping a little acid every now and then could very well make me more creative therefore making me more money. Could I then sit back and say, "well, it is okay for me to do a hit or two a day because it makes me money but you are never going to make any money off of it, you just do it because you like it and you like the stuff you create while on it so it is not okay for you." Drug use is drug use and it is either okay or it is not okay - I don't see any gray area to it.

 

[FlexBailey]

DieslGrl, I appreciate the comments but who do you think you're talking to?
You act as if we/her/I am just a begginer.lol Remember: Not everyone who posts questions here are beginners.
Do you realize our consulter is an IFBB pro women's bodybuilder and she was the one who has been working close by my girls side for months and was also the one to reccomend T3 as an idea? Not to mention I myself was at the provincial level when I was 21 and have done a handful of shows let alone won everyone with a perfect score.
When I say my girl eats CLEAN, she eats CLEAN. I honestly think 80% of the people here don't know what CLEAN eating really means.
When your metabolism hits a wall and different diet strategies fail to work sometimes you have to use more extreme methods.
I thank all of you who put your opinions in, I appreciate it.

 

[dieslgrl]

yo flexb. you don't have to give me shit... there is ALWAYS something that can be done... UNLESS she is doing two hours of cardio every single day and eating ONLY two foods... plain and simple.. I never said she didn't eat clean... I never said she didn't work her ass off.... She could take that same level of determination and adjust her training/diet appropriately...

For instance... if she eats "clean" moderate protein, moderate carbs, low fat.... maybe she could switch it up to shock her body and eat very low carbs high protein and moderate fat for awhile until her body can again respond to her original diet...

also: if she does 30min. cardio seven days a week, and weight trains three... She could weight train five and do one hour cardio on five days as well...

there are always changes that can be made... don't give me shit.. I wasn't talking like you were inexperienced... there are just too many people on these board that think that a little thyroid is the answer to all their fat-loss problems... whereas it can create more.... you do with her as you please.. I was only trying to help.

dg

 

[NY Muscle]

I do not for the life of me understand how competition should be the standard by which drug use is acceptable or not acceptable. I am an artist, I get paid EXTREMELY WELL for what I do, dropping a little acid every now and then could very well make me more creative therefore making me more money. Could I then sit back and say, "well, it is okay for me to do a hit or two a day because it makes me money but you are never going to make any money off of it, you just do it because you like it and you like the stuff you create while on it so it is not okay for you." Drug use is drug use and it is either okay or it is not okay - I don't see any gray area to it.

Im not the one who made up and who uses this excuse..ive heard this excuse one too many times...i dont offer this excuse to people, they say it to me...maybe they should just have the balls to say they are never going to do a show and just wanna do juice "just because".

My point with the competition is...do not follow what these people do drug wise...ESPECIALLY in terms of t3 and the rebound you will get...the offeason and getting bulk/fat is something a lot of us who compete look forward to, but for someone like you, im sure you want too look good and stay as lean as possible year round...well too many people are doing t3 and getting a rebound because they followed the advice of a "competetice bodybuilder" like thats some type of impressive degree....and they dont realize that competetive BBldrs not only are prepared for the mental part of the rebound or "offeason" but often welcome it.

thats why i brought that point up...dont mimic competitive BBldrs if you arent going to compete...we do things a little different then the avergae guy or girl who juices.


what im really trying to say is STOP listening and following the advice of interent chat people whos ONLY credentials is that they have 5000+ posts.

get my point?

 

[Temple]

I will be the first to say that I don't compete and have absolutely no intention of ever competing and I use because I like it. I don't care what anyone thinks about it either . My personal opinion is that everyone can do whatever they want with their body but when you read the list of what the pros use I can't help but wonder how it can be worth it. The best and most objective advice I have ever gotten has been on an internet chat board from a person with over 5000 posts - go figure....

 

[FlexBailey]

As i said in a previous post, she's tried several different strategies with diet and cardio/training but all haven't gotten her out of that plateau. It's frustrating for me to see a girl diet and train so hard only to basically hold her same look and not lose any fat I obviously think she looks great but i'm not the one who has to live in that body, she does.
I'm having her hold off the T3 for now as I don't like the sounds of the rebounding as it seems some people rebound hard.
I do have first hand experience with Clen and that will probably be the road first travelled for her.

 

[dieslgrl]

good choice...

has she ever tried the ketogenic approach?

dg

 

[NY Muscle]

good choice...

has she ever tried the ketogenic approach?

dg

ahh my favorite..

my motto: when all else fails.....Cyclical Ketogenic Diet.

 

[FlexBailey]

good choice...

has she ever tried the ketogenic approach?

dg

I'd be afraid of her burning muscle seeing as she's not on any anabolics although I do know Clen can be anabolic.
I'm not really the one coaching her but I'll run that one past her trainer, thanks.

 

[NY Muscle]

I'd be afraid of her burning muscle seeing as she's not on any anabolics although I do know Clen can be anabolic.
I'm not really the one coaching her but I'll run that one past her trainer, thanks.

she will burn way more muscle on t3 than she would ever on a CKD.

 

[FlexBailey]

she will burn way more muscle on t3 than she would ever on a CKD.

Yeah i'm starting to realize this with the more and more research I do.