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about 10 days ago i started my cycle and mixed test prop and winny in one shot into my delt. I got an infection from it. i did a lot of searching prior to doing and found shit all over the net that supports mixing them. then after i injected i posted on here saying i did it and several people jumped on it telling me it was an infection risk. it heppened quick to. over night it swelled up pretty big was all red and hot. it cleared up quick with antibiotics. i took amixil 500mg 3 times per day for 5 days. DONT MIX THEM
captainahole
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I to mixed winni with prop and got an infection from it. never again. It seems to be much more aggressive as well.
needtogetaas
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:d
needtogetaas
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Yup I just said the hell with mixing oil and water.
I leraned back in school that oil and water do not mix. never tried to mix em. I'd imagine it will fuck you up some way.
crazyjoe
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well its good to know that I'm not the only one who has made this mistake. I should have known better, but I didn't even think about it. I mixed primo and prop together, injected into the bicep and got a nasty infection called cellulitis. I was completely honest with my Doctor and he said cellulitis is an infection of the red blood cells and if it makes its way to your heart it can kill you. They ran some blood tests and my white blood cell count was at 17.2 and the "normal" range is 4-10.
I used to get cellulitus in my ankle once a year for about 5yrs in a row, but they never could tell me what caused it. It is VERY painful if you do get it.
we all know that oil and water dont mix. but the idea of puting them into your muscle one after the other from the same injection (mixing them) seems ligical. i now know that it does cause infection but i am trying to find out exactly what it is that causes the problem and keep coming up with nothing but all the stupid posts i read that say you can do it.
Little chemistry overview there for ya:
Intermolecular bonds are exactly the reason why they don't mix.
Water molecules have strong bonds with one another, called
"hydrogen bonds." This consists of an extraordinarily strong
attraction that the hydrogens of one H2O have for oxygens of nearby
H2O molecules. Oil molecules also have very strong bonds with one
another, but not hydrogen bonds. Oil molecules are bonded to
one another by what are called "London forces," or sometimes
"dispersion forces." This is a little harder to explain in
simple terms, but basically the large oil molecules tend to
clump together because of these forces. However, an oil molecule
does not hydrogen bond with a water molecule, and an oil molecule's
dispersion attraction to a water molecule is weak compared to
the oil-oil attraction. So, the water stays separate from the oil,
giving rise to the old chemistry saying "like dissolves like."
Intermolecular bonds are exactly the reason why they don't mix.
Water molecules have strong bonds with one another, called
"hydrogen bonds." This consists of an extraordinarily strong
attraction that the hydrogens of one H2O have for oxygens of nearby
H2O molecules. Oil molecules also have very strong bonds with one
another, but not hydrogen bonds. Oil molecules are bonded to
one another by what are called "London forces," or sometimes
"dispersion forces." This is a little harder to explain in
simple terms, but basically the large oil molecules tend to
clump together because of these forces. However, an oil molecule
does not hydrogen bond with a water molecule, and an oil molecule's
dispersion attraction to a water molecule is weak compared to
the oil-oil attraction. So, the water stays separate from the oil,
giving rise to the old chemistry saying "like dissolves like."
Transdermal delivery of hydrophobic and hydrophilic local anesthetics from o/w and w/o Brij 97-based microemulsions
Here's a scietific read. Not sure if that's what you're looking for.
Bridger
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I've mixed my hrt shots, .5cc T cyp with 1cc of b12 a number of times and havent had any issues. Its not something i regularly do or plan to. Maybe all you guys that got infections was just coincidence and not necessarily related to the mixing of water and oil? It seems this taboo idea of mixing water and oil might be an internet myth. Can anyone find any medical literature to support this way thinking? Again, not suggesting it is a good idea to mix the two, just questioning a strong notion.
redguru
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That doesn't support or deny infection from mixing oil and water. The study just shows the difference in rates of cell permeation when a local anesthetic is transported by water or by oil.
Bridger
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I agree that they don't mix into one solution, i saw what the b12 and test looked like in the barrel, and oil and vinegar that i dip my bread in. Thats not the taboo im referring to.
I'm no chemistry expert, but i don't know if they have to be "one" in order the body to absorb it. It could very well inhibit absorbtion, but i haven't seen any evidence to suggest that really is the case or why that might actually happen. Other than peoples common sense telling me because they dont mix it is bad and cant be injected.
clink
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I have been mixing my test cyp and b12 in all my shots, HRT here, and have never had an issue, also mix deca and b12 in the same barrel when doing cycles, and again, never been an issue.
This has been going on for almost 2 years, twice a week. no probs at all. Just use sterile procedures, and you should have no probs..
This has been going on for almost 2 years, twice a week. no probs at all. Just use sterile procedures, and you should have no probs..
and hence the "not sure if that's what you're looking for"
why not?
who told you boldenone is water-based? It is an oil based injectable steroid.
I'm sure you can mix them together. I've done it before.
Less pinning = less scar tissue
mike22uk
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cheers alcatraz ,
my 2nd cycle starts tomorro after work, although in the morning il be taking 2 dbol, and a multi vitamin tablet, then 2 dbol at dinner then my shot and 2 dbol after work, i tend to get a shower relax my muscles then alco wipe the bottles then a diff one for my skin
my 2nd cycle starts tomorro after work, although in the morning il be taking 2 dbol, and a multi vitamin tablet, then 2 dbol at dinner then my shot and 2 dbol after work, i tend to get a shower relax my muscles then alco wipe the bottles then a diff one for my skin
tampatraps
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cheers alcatraz ,
my 2nd cycle starts tomorro after work, although in the morning il be taking 2 dbol, and a multi vitamin tablet, then 2 dbol at dinner then my shot and 2 dbol after work, i tend to get a shower relax my muscles then alco wipe the bottles then a diff one for my skin
rub the area of injection with hot water for a bit. It will ease the pain.
Also, try to inject oil-based solutions close to the muscle groups you are trying to workout. It will make the oil spread faster.
Big_Joe
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You get infections from having pathogens in what you are injecting. Generally, at least it seems this way, water based injectables, like winny, tend to have more pathogens that oil based ( more bugs live in water then in oil ). So if you say well I injected winny and and an oil based compound and got an infection it's not from the oil and water but from what was in the water or oil.
And for those that say "I injected water and oil and got an infection so I will never do that again." That's like saying I wore my red tee shirt and it rained. I don't like it when it rains so I won't wear my red tee shirt.
And for those that say "I injected water and oil and got an infection so I will never do that again." That's like saying I wore my red tee shirt and it rained. I don't like it when it rains so I won't wear my red tee shirt.
crazyjoe
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I'm just not going to mix prop and primo in the same syringe from now on. Only because I got an infection in my quad one week and about two weeks later after my quad healed up, I injected the same thing into my bicep and had the same result. So I didn't work out for almost a month because of all the medication I was on. I'll just do them separate from now on. That's all. Not sayin anyone else has too.
tampatraps
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if thats so then one of the compounds has an issue and by injecting you could find out if its primo or prop, but sence your injecting less liquid your body may overcome it.
Big_Joe
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Hey man I really don't care if you wear a red tee shirt or not. You can shoot into your O-ring for all I care. I am just saying for those with working brain cells that the logic that is being applied is faulty. If you can call it logic.
viciousness
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What would be the difference in absorbtion if the muscles/ muscle fiber is primarily made of water if im not mistaken? I Dont see why a mix of these would be giving people infections unless some are more prone then others????
